Princess Dye Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 (edited) QUOTE (103 mph screwball @ Nov 16, 2009 -> 01:01 PM) Gary Matthews is a 10 million dollar Brian Anderson. Ouch. Welp, 13M total for Adrian Gonzalez and GMJ is about right. In the expanded deal Angels should keep their cash part of it and just take Scott Linebrink for a generic reliever.... Edited November 16, 2009 by Princess Dye Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kjshoe04 Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 QUOTE (103 mph screwball @ Nov 16, 2009 -> 01:01 PM) Gary Matthews is a 10 million dollar Brian Anderson. Ouch. Then I love him already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox_Sonix Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 QUOTE (103 mph screwball @ Nov 16, 2009 -> 02:01 PM) Gary Matthews is a 10 million dollar Brian Anderson. Ouch. But if it allows you to get Adrian Gonzalez for a couple years at $5M you have to do it. How long is GMJ contract anyways? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Princess Dye Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 (edited) QUOTE (ChiSox_Sonix @ Nov 16, 2009 -> 01:05 PM) But if it allows you to get Adrian Gonzalez for a couple years at $5M you have to do it. How long is GMJ contract anyways? On the plus side, once Alex Rios and GMJ enter the same room, their bodies fuse &become one What just annoyed me about this: you just know Angels are doing something like asking for Matt Thornton etc Edited November 16, 2009 by Princess Dye Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 QUOTE (ChiSox_Sonix @ Nov 16, 2009 -> 01:05 PM) But if it allows you to get Adrian Gonzalez for a couple years at $5M you have to do it. How long is GMJ contract anyways? 2 years and $23M left on that deal. If you pick up Adrian and Matthews and only shed Konerko from the 25 man roster and get no cash in return you're effectively paying Gonzalez $16.625M per year for the next 2 years since Matthews is just about useless (he's at or below a replacement level player and such players are by definition everywhere). So even though Adrian is an incredible value you're not saving any money in the long run, you're just adding to the payroll ($3.75 in '10 and $17.5M in '11) which actually makes him a less attractive target via trade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Princess Dye Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 (edited) QUOTE (Kalapse @ Nov 16, 2009 -> 01:14 PM) 2 years and $23M left on that deal. If you pick up Adrian and Matthews and only shed Konerko from the 25 man roster and get no cash in return you're effectively paying Gonzalez $16.625M per year for the next 2 years since Matthews is just about useless (he's at or below a replacement level player and such players are by definition everywhere). So even though Adrian is an incredible value you're not saving any money in the long run, you're just adding to the payroll ($3.75 in '10 and $17.5M in '11) which actually makes him a less attractive target via trade. It is still probably better than anything else we were going to do with the 2011 money. Even if it forces us to get a cheap DH, it's not that much of a downside. We get 3 solid young hitters in the lineup. It is not impossbile to think we'd trade GMJ next year for more appealing(but more long term) mediocre talent. Edited November 16, 2009 by Princess Dye Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted November 16, 2009 Author Share Posted November 16, 2009 QUOTE (Kalapse @ Nov 16, 2009 -> 11:14 AM) 2 years and $23M left on that deal. If you pick up Adrian and Matthews and only shed Konerko from the 25 man roster and get no cash in return you're effectively paying Gonzalez $16.625M per year for the next 2 years since Matthews is just about useless (he's at or below a replacement level player and such players are by definition everywhere). So even though Adrian is an incredible value you're not saving any money in the long run, you're just adding to the payroll ($3.75 in '10 and $17.5M in '11) which actually makes him a less attractive target via trade. The Angels and Matthews aren't on good terms and he's going to ultimately get out-right released. They will trade him if they can, but if they can't he will be gone. In short, having to absorb all of Matthews salary would not make the deal worth it. In fact, if the Angels were willing to shed that entire, contract, they'd be giving up all of the noteable prospects to get Gonzalez so in that instance, why wouldn't they just go after Adrian. Anyway, in short, I'm with ya Kal, forget about the name GMJ. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 QUOTE (Princess Dye @ Nov 16, 2009 -> 01:17 PM) It is still probably better than anything else we were going to do. Even if it forces us to get a cheap DH, it's not that much of a downside. We get 3 solid young hitters in the lineup All of a sudden you're committing over $72M to 9 players in 2010 (this includes Viciedo), about $75.5M to 10 if you pick up Thornton's option, then you have to pay Danks, Quentin and Pena a substantial sum in their second year of Arbitration, if Jenks is still around he'll be making about $10M in his final year of ARB and Theahen maybe $6M in his final year and you have to go find a catcher since Flowers is now on the Padres and Pierzynski's contract is up and he's in his mid 30's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozzfest Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 have any of the radio stations made this report? I don't believe this source..not that I would really believe a radio rumor more... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanOfCorn Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 So the chances of this deal actually happening are...? My guess is less than 10%. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Princess Dye Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 If we're giving an absolute load of prospects, I wonder if SD would part with an older reliever...after all they are looking at this as a total rebuild if it happens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
striker Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 QUOTE (ChiSox_Sonix @ Nov 16, 2009 -> 06:45 PM) No. I know Adrian is a better player but we'd only have him for two years and we would have yet another hole on the offense we'd have to fill. We'd have Gonzalez for 3 years. There is an option for 2012. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 QUOTE (ozzfest @ Nov 16, 2009 -> 01:28 PM) have any of the radio stations made this report? I don't believe this source..not that I would really believe a radio rumor more... The source is legit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFirebird Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 QUOTE (striker62704 @ Nov 16, 2009 -> 01:32 PM) We'd have Gonzalez for 3 years. There is an option for 2012. Isn't the option for 2011? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 QUOTE (striker62704 @ Nov 16, 2009 -> 01:32 PM) We'd have Gonzalez for 3 years. There is an option for 2012. I'm pretty sure he just has an option for 2011 not 2012. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 QUOTE (striker62704 @ Nov 16, 2009 -> 01:32 PM) We'd have Gonzalez for 3 years. There is an option for 2012. The option is for 2011. He'd be under team control for 2 seasons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Princess Dye Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Nov 16, 2009 -> 01:33 PM) The source is legit. Phew Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozzfest Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 (edited) has this specific source made any predictions on trades or signings b4 that have turned out to be right? Edited November 16, 2009 by ozzfest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 I cringe everytime we talk about Sox prospects being dealt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 QUOTE (Kalapse @ Nov 16, 2009 -> 07:38 PM) The option is for 2011. He'd be under team control for 2 seasons. And then gone for sure Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Nov 16, 2009 -> 01:41 PM) I cringe everytime we talk about Sox prospects being dealt. Why's that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 QUOTE (Kalapse @ Nov 16, 2009 -> 07:26 PM) All of a sudden you're committing over $72M to 9 players in 2010 (this includes Viciedo), about $75.5M to 10 if you pick up Thornton's option, then you have to pay Danks, Quentin and Pena a substantial sum in their second year of Arbitration, if Jenks is still around he'll be making about $10M in his final year of ARB and Theahen maybe $6M in his final year and you have to go find a catcher since Flowers is now on the Padres and Pierzynski's contract is up and he's in his mid 30's. Maybe a Sox prospect going to SD or LAA is Viciedo? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Princess Dye Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Nov 16, 2009 -> 01:41 PM) I cringe everytime we talk about Sox prospects being dealt. B.Allen being dealt hurt many people, but I honestly think the current prospects, being positions always in need (hudson, flowers) will be dealt only for a real prize Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Nov 16, 2009 -> 01:42 PM) Why's that? He used to be a gold prospector. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 QUOTE (Princess Dye @ Nov 16, 2009 -> 01:43 PM) B.Allen being dealt hurt many people, but I honestly think the current prospects, being positions always in need (hudson, flowers) will be dealt only for a real prize Shouldn't we wait to see if Allen turns out to be the next Chris Young first? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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