bigruss Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Nov 16, 2009 -> 02:41 PM) I cringe everytime we talk about Sox prospects being dealt. Why? Who has really burned us in the past? As much potential as these guys are showing, if you land AGon its totally worth it. I mean, the probability all of the prospects will reach their potential is ridiculously low. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Nov 16, 2009 -> 01:42 PM) Why's that? I'm sick of seeing former Sox prospects turn up in the all star game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Princess Dye Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 16, 2009 -> 01:45 PM) Shouldn't we wait to see if Allen turns out to be the next Chris Young first? I'm totally in agreement that said people shouldnt overreact. But point being I think that Allen deal was the one prospect we'll deal for a low ceiling guy. Hudson and Flowers wont go anywhere unless it's a knockout punch. I could be wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 QUOTE (Princess Dye @ Nov 16, 2009 -> 01:47 PM) I'm totally in agreement that said people shouldnt overreact. But point being I think that Allen deal was the one prospect we'll deal for a low ceiling guy. Hudson and Flowers wont go anywhere unless it's a knockout punch. I could be wrong. Why do people think of Pena as a low ceiling guy? He is a guy that if he realizes his potential could be a closer for us. Will that happen, I don't know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwill Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 Just for some fun lets throw out another trade possibility. Sox Get Howie Kendrick Gary Matthews Adrian Gonzalez Cash Angels Get Alexi Konerko Daylan Viciedo Padres Get Top Propect from Angels Maybe two Hudson Jordan Danks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 QUOTE (Princess Dye @ Nov 16, 2009 -> 01:47 PM) I'm totally in agreement that said people shouldnt overreact. But point being I think that Allen deal was the one prospect we'll deal for a low ceiling guy. Hudson and Flowers wont go anywhere unless it's a knockout punch. I could be wrong. It wouldn't be at all surprising if Tony Pena turned into a decent closer sometime in the next few years, that's not exactly a low ceiling guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 16, 2009 -> 01:49 PM) Why do people think of Pena as a low ceiling guy? He is a guy that if he realizes his potential could be a closer for us. Will that happen, I don't know. Ya, low ceiling definitely isn't the term to use to describe Pena. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiddleCoastBias Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 (edited) QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Nov 16, 2009 -> 03:43 PM) Maybe a Sox prospect going to SD or LAA is Viciedo? http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/chi-1...,4524518.column Take this article with a grain; I know the hitting sample size to claim Morel has surpassed Viciedo is small (12 games?), just thought it was something to point out to those that may have missed it. Edited November 16, 2009 by The Baconator Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 QUOTE (Kalapse @ Nov 16, 2009 -> 01:51 PM) It wouldn't be at all surprising if Tony Pena turned into a decent closer sometime in the next few years, that's not exactly a low ceiling guy. QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Nov 16, 2009 -> 01:51 PM) Ya, low ceiling definitely isn't the term to use to describe Pena. Glad to see I am not alone here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chisoxfan09 Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 Mods, shouldn't this thread be merged as part of the main Agon thread already going? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Princess Dye Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 (edited) I apologize for the use of said term. Just point being we traded Allen for someone who is about to be 28 and has career ERA of 4.00, mostly in the national league.Semantics i guess For the record though I dont think Allen is super either. Edited November 16, 2009 by Princess Dye Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenny Hates Prospects Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 (edited) This still doesn't make any sense to me. Konerko at his deal is really worth nothing. If we send prospects to the Angels to get them to take Konerko, then we can't offer as strong of a package to SD. If we send a bunch of cash to the Angels, of if we take on a bad contract from the Angels, then the appeal of Adrian Gonzalez just dropped because now he's not as cheap salary-wise as he had been before. And the biggest oddity to me is why, if the Sox did have the goods in prospects to interest the Padres, would the Sox make Paulie part of the deal? If there's some interest in Paulie on the Angels side, wouldn't you try to get the Gonzalez deal done ASAP and then move on with Paulie, who is a lesser priority? The GMJ inclusion that has been mentioned does make sense. He wants a trade and he wants to start, and SD is maybe the only place in baseball where that can happen. If the Sox were to send some cash (for Paulie) to the Padres instead of the Angels, and then the Angels were to eat the remaining amount on GMJ's deal save for $1-2M per, then that would make a lot of sense. The Angels could then send a prospect to SD to make up for the $6-8M or so of GMJ's contract that they would otherwise have had to eat if they straight released him. Edited November 16, 2009 by Kenny Hates Prospects Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 QUOTE (The Baconator @ Nov 16, 2009 -> 01:52 PM) http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/chi-1...,4524518.column Take this article with a grain; I know the hitting sample size to claim Morel has surpassed Viciedo is small (12 games?), just thought it was something to point out to those that may have missed it. There is a discussion thread on this in FutureSox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuskyCaucasian Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 QUOTE (The Baconator @ Nov 16, 2009 -> 01:52 PM) http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/chi-1...,4524518.column Take this article with a grain; I know the hitting sample size to claim Morel has surpassed Viciedo is small (12 games?), just thought it was something to point out to those that may have missed it. Morel looks like he has some real potential. Especially since he has only 11 errors last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 QUOTE (chisoxfan09 @ Nov 16, 2009 -> 01:53 PM) Mods, shouldn't this thread be merged as part of the main Agon thread already going? I like this being separate as it is an actual bit of news, versus idol speculation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted November 16, 2009 Author Share Posted November 16, 2009 QUOTE (ozzfest @ Nov 16, 2009 -> 11:39 AM) has this specific source made any predictions on trades or signings b4 that have turned out to be right? SoxNet.net/Soxtalk have been a part of breaking the news on many ocassions, so yes, we have a track-record of being accurate. But remember, we aren't saying a trade is imminent, just that the teams have had preliminary discussions. Whether it moves past that stage or not, we shall see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Princess Dye Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 (edited) Probably the scariest thing about GMJ inclusion here...as things stand he would actually... play for the Sox. 2009 - runners on: .326/.433 in 141 ABs.....scoring position w/ 2 out: .395/.519 in 43 at-bats. 4 of 7 w/ bases loaded. Granted being in that lineup gets you some pitches to hit all year. He was atrocious w/ bases empty. Edited November 16, 2009 by Princess Dye Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted November 16, 2009 Author Share Posted November 16, 2009 The story has been updated a bit with our idol speculation and analysis: http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/soxnet/200...-prospects.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Princess Dye Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 Simon Cowell is probably gonna be extra douchey next year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuskyCaucasian Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 (edited) QUOTE (ozzfest @ Nov 16, 2009 -> 01:28 PM) have any of the radio stations made this report? I just turned on the Score and they are doing Bears stuff. Dropped them an e-mail with the story. Edited November 16, 2009 by Athomeboy_2000 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 QUOTE (Princess Dye @ Nov 16, 2009 -> 02:01 PM) Probably the scariest thing about GMJ inclusion here...as things stand he would actually... play for the Sox. 2009 - runners on: .326/.433 in 141 ABs.....scoring position w/ 2 out: .395/.519 in 43 at-bats. 4 of 7 w/ bases loaded. Granted being in that lineup gets you some pitches to hit all year. He was atrocious w/ bases empty. That really means next to nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Princess Dye Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 You could bring back Pods for DH and have some much improved defensive outfield with CQ/Rios/Kotsay. Would need right handed bench hitting though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxPride56 Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 FWIW, A person that I know that is in the Padres organization has also told me that the trade is being discussed. He told me the Padres want Hudson in any deal for Adrian. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dyuen Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 QUOTE (Athomeboy_2000 @ Nov 16, 2009 -> 02:06 PM) I just turned on the Score and they are doing Bears stuff. Dropped them an e-mail with the story. I dont consider it much of a story at this point. The fact that teams have talked about a deal is a long way from anything happening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dyuen Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 QUOTE (SoxPride56 @ Nov 16, 2009 -> 02:11 PM) FWIW, A person that I know that is in the Padres organization has also told me that the trade is being discussed. He told me the Padres want Hudson in any deal for Adrian. they can have him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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