elrockinMT Posted November 25, 2009 Share Posted November 25, 2009 QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Nov 25, 2009 -> 04:40 PM) Neither player will be offered arbitration. KW got lucky with O-Cab last year. He's not going play that same game again, especially with two guys that seem like they'd want to come back. Do you think though that at least Dye wil be offered arb? Am I wrong to think that if he isn't we don't get compensdation from whoever signs him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish71 Posted November 25, 2009 Share Posted November 25, 2009 QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Nov 25, 2009 -> 10:55 AM) Do you think though that at least Dye wil be offered arb? Am I wrong to think that if he isn't we don't get compensdation from whoever signs him? No because if we offer Dye arbitration he will accept and that is not a prudent allocation of funds for this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted November 25, 2009 Share Posted November 25, 2009 QUOTE (southsideirish71 @ Nov 25, 2009 -> 10:56 AM) No because if we offer Dye arbitration he will accept and that is not a prudent allocation of funds for this year. Agree completely. Dye would get more for 2010 through arbitration than through free agency. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted November 25, 2009 Share Posted November 25, 2009 QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Nov 25, 2009 -> 10:55 AM) Do you think though that at least Dye wil be offered arb? Am I wrong to think that if he isn't we don't get compensdation from whoever signs him? You're right about the compensation, unless some team signs him before the deadline to offer arbitration. However, that's not going to happen for a player like Dye. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ranger Posted November 25, 2009 Share Posted November 25, 2009 QUOTE (greg775 @ Nov 25, 2009 -> 02:01 AM) I just wonder why we all assume Crisp will be good defensively. Surgery on both shoulders for a guy already not known for a gun? Ranger's point is well taken IF everybody hits like they are capable we might be OK. Big if, but it's possible the lineup might score some runs. I wish they'd sign Thome and get that taken care of. I'm not sure how I feel about a Thome return (if it were to happen). Not completely opposed to it, but I wouldn't mind seeing them move on, either. I think he will not e one of their first choices. QUOTE (gatnom @ Nov 25, 2009 -> 02:29 AM) While I agree with the bold part above, that's a fairly big leap to make. It wouldn't surprise me at all if Quentin was hampered to the point of ineffectiveness by injuries for the rest of his career. I wouldn't be surprised if Rios and Teahen continued to underperform either, and who knows how Crisp would even rebound from his surgeries. Even if you grant that some guys like AJ, Konerko, and Matsui/Thome won't decline from their previous seasons because you can really question whether anybody in baseball will be as good as they were last season, none of them are getting any younger. Konerko and Thome have already started to decline, and AJ is pretty much due for a regression anyways. If they all produce what is expected of them, they could be anywhere between average and above average depending upon your expectations, but there is just as good of a chance that they all implode than they all succeed. That goes for just about every lineup in baseball (unless, of course, you're New York and you're fielding an All Star team). Like you said, you can say about every player that you aren't sure about repeated production, and that guys are getting older and due for regression, etc. It's not a big leap to say that the Sox lineup can be better than a below average lineup. I didn't say "great." From everything I hear, it sounds like Quentin had made a ton of progress by the end of the year and there is reason to be hopeful he'll be productive again next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted November 25, 2009 Share Posted November 25, 2009 I wish they'd sign Thome and get that taken care of. It's also worth noting that no team wants to sign someone before the arbitration deadline and then wind up giving up an extra draft pick because they jumped the gun. Sign Matsui right now, or Thome, and the other team can offer arbitration without having to worry about the player accepting because they already signed a contract with another team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted November 25, 2009 Share Posted November 25, 2009 QUOTE (Ranger @ Nov 25, 2009 -> 10:00 AM) From everything I hear, it sounds like Quentin had made a ton of progress by the end of the year and there is reason to be hopeful he'll be productive again next year. Both Q and Rios seemed to be ripping the ball the last week. It was a bit too late but I liked how it looked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonard Zelig Posted November 25, 2009 Share Posted November 25, 2009 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 25, 2009 -> 12:06 PM) It's also worth noting that no team wants to sign someone before the arbitration deadline and then wind up giving up an extra draft pick because they jumped the gun. Sign Matsui right now, or Thome, and the other team can offer arbitration without having to worry about the player accepting because they already signed a contract with another team. How can you offer arbitration to a player on another team? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted November 25, 2009 Share Posted November 25, 2009 (edited) QUOTE (greg775 @ Nov 25, 2009 -> 02:01 AM) I just wonder why we all assume Crisp will be good defensively. Surgery on both shoulders for a guy already not known for a gun? Ranger's point is well taken IF everybody hits like they are capable we might be OK. Big if, but it's possible the lineup might score some runs. I wish they'd sign Thome and get that taken care of. Since when was arm everything on defense? Having surgery on his shoulders does nothing to his legs, which is his biggest defensive asset. If you're that scared that his arm sucks, put him in left field. Edited November 25, 2009 by chw42 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted November 25, 2009 Share Posted November 25, 2009 QUOTE (Leonard Zelig @ Nov 25, 2009 -> 10:12 AM) How can you offer arbitration to a player on another team? If JD were to sign with Texas right now...it's still before the arbitration deadline. Thus, we could offer him arbitration but he'd still already be under contract with another team, so we'd steal Texas's draft pick by offering him arbitration. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted November 25, 2009 Share Posted November 25, 2009 You get the comp picks automatically, you don't have to offer arbitration as a formality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted November 25, 2009 Share Posted November 25, 2009 B&B just said there's breaking news on the Sox...I think it might have something to do with Crisp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted November 25, 2009 Share Posted November 25, 2009 QUOTE (chw42 @ Nov 25, 2009 -> 01:51 PM) B&B just said there's breaking news on the Sox...I think it might have something to do with Crisp. I hope not. Too soon to make that move, I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted November 25, 2009 Share Posted November 25, 2009 QUOTE (chw42 @ Nov 25, 2009 -> 01:51 PM) B&B just said there's breaking news on the Sox...I think it might have something to do with Crisp. He'd be a good pickup and considering how little guaranteed money he'll receive you can still look for a leadoff hitting OF who's a better bet for 2010, Crisp would make a great 4th OF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sox1422 Posted November 25, 2009 Share Posted November 25, 2009 Another A.J. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted November 25, 2009 Share Posted November 25, 2009 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 25, 2009 -> 06:07 PM) Both Q and Rios seemed to be ripping the ball the last week. It was a bit too late but I liked how it looked. I thought so too. Q being healthy will be a major plus don't you think? And Rios settling in and working with Walker hopefully spells a productive Rios. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFirebird Posted November 25, 2009 Share Posted November 25, 2009 QUOTE (Kalapse @ Nov 24, 2009 -> 02:05 PM) Crisp would really need to play LF, his arm in center would cost the team a ton of bases over the course of a season. I'm late to the party....but wouldn't the outfield be LF Crisp, CF Rios, RF Quentin be almost a certainty if Crisp is signed? It is the most logical. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted November 25, 2009 Share Posted November 25, 2009 QUOTE (BFirebird @ Nov 25, 2009 -> 04:11 PM) I'm late to the party....but wouldn't the outfield be LF Crisp, CF Rios, RF Quentin be almost a certainty if Crisp is signed? It is the most logical. You're forgetting who our manager is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFirebird Posted November 25, 2009 Share Posted November 25, 2009 QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Nov 25, 2009 -> 03:22 PM) You're forgetting who our manager is. Ha. Yeah I forgot about that part. But given the strength of each players arms....it wouldn't even make sense for a little league manager to put Crisp in CF, Rios in RF, and Quentin in LF. None of them are in the position where they can succeed the most. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted November 25, 2009 Share Posted November 25, 2009 QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Nov 25, 2009 -> 12:47 PM) I thought so too. Q being healthy will be a major plus don't you think? And Rios settling in and working with Walker hopefully spells a productive Rios. If you can give me the Quentin of either the first 2 weeks of last season or of the last week...he's liable to go for 50 HR and make a lot of our offensive problems go away. It just remains to be seen how much the injuries might nag at him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted November 26, 2009 Share Posted November 26, 2009 They always said about Quentin that those kind of hand injuries typically took one full season to heal...not unlike Tommy John, and that the second year was the bounceback year. Of course, there's no guarantee that the rest of CQ will be healthy and durable, but numbers in the mid-range between 2008 and 2009 would be great. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted November 26, 2009 Share Posted November 26, 2009 (edited) QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Nov 25, 2009 -> 06:47 PM) They always said about Quentin that those kind of hand injuries typically took one full season to heal...not unlike Tommy John, and that the second year was the bounceback year. Of course, there's no guarantee that the rest of CQ will be healthy and durable, but numbers in the mid-range between 2008 and 2009 would be great. hand injury? The wrist injury he should be back to full strength this year, I agree. Its the plantar fasciatis that bothers me, that could flare up at any time Edited November 26, 2009 by KyYlE23 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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