whitesox91403 Posted December 11, 2009 Share Posted December 11, 2009 http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/news/artic...sp&c_id=cws Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
League Posted December 11, 2009 Share Posted December 11, 2009 Can't believe that they'd do that, D.J. can't be asking for too much and I honestly believe that he was more important to us than Jenks was last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 11, 2009 Share Posted December 11, 2009 Wow. He must be asking for a crazy number or something. At worst, you think they could have traded him for something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 11, 2009 Share Posted December 11, 2009 Just what we need, more bullpen problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 11, 2009 Share Posted December 11, 2009 Here is a thought... all things considered, would it be better for the Sox to lose Bobby Jenks or DJ Carrasco for either nothing, or a trade where we receive a nobody minor leaguer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
League Posted December 11, 2009 Share Posted December 11, 2009 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 11, 2009 -> 12:23 PM) Here is a thought... all things considered, would it be better for the Sox to lose Bobby Jenks or DJ Carrasco for either nothing, or a trade where we receive a nobody minor leaguer? I wouldn't be opposed to picking up a decent-upside young arm for Bobby like the Braves did with Soriano, the salary relief alone puts us in a great position to pick up a more important piece. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenny Hates Prospects Posted December 11, 2009 Share Posted December 11, 2009 The Sox better not do this. I don't understand how they could even think of doing this. Â If the decision is between Jenks and say Putz + Carrasco, it's a damn easy decision to make IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JorgeFabregas Posted December 11, 2009 Share Posted December 11, 2009 (edited) I think some of you are misinterpreting Merkin's article. He seems to be speculating because the White Sox haven't offered arbitration yet and have a young arm coming in. He never cites any unnamed brass suggesting that a non-tender is likely. It's also possible that someone DID leak iffy info to Merkin in an attempt to get DJ to sign a contract and avoid arbitration. Â They also have Dotel departing and may want to keep Hudson stretched out in AAA. Edited December 11, 2009 by JorgeFabregas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenny Hates Prospects Posted December 11, 2009 Share Posted December 11, 2009 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 11, 2009 -> 11:13 AM) Wow. He must be asking for a crazy number or something. At worst, you think they could have traded him for something. I doubt he's asking for any more than what the Sox will pay Tony Pena. It's probably the Sox trying to cut corners on LR once again, which is just stupid. You simply can't put all your faith in 1-inning relievers and then hope some s***ty rookie (Torres, Hynick, Marquez, etc.) is going to bail you out if you need innings. And there's no way the Sox should look at Hudson as a LR option either. If Hudson is in the pen he belongs in a setup role or at least building up towards a setup role since he's probably better than Pena and Linebrink right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spiderman Posted December 11, 2009 Share Posted December 11, 2009 This would be a major indication that they are cash strapped right now. Â I am wondering how they are currently going to keep the payroll under $100 million with their current situation. Isn't it 15 guys at about $78 million, but we still have Jenks, Danks and Quentin (at least) going through arbitration, adding around $12-$15 million just with these 3....even if you fill out the roster with minimum salaries, you're probably in the mid to upper 90's in payroll. Â How do they even add a decent free agent for $4 million a season if the payroll doesn't allow for it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 11, 2009 Share Posted December 11, 2009 QUOTE (spiderman @ Dec 11, 2009 -> 12:44 PM) This would be a major indication that they are cash strapped right now. Why in the world would you do the Getz/Teahen trade if it also cost you Carrasco because of money? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scenario Posted December 11, 2009 Share Posted December 11, 2009 Sounds like a negotiation ploy to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted December 11, 2009 Share Posted December 11, 2009 QUOTE (League @ Dec 11, 2009 -> 11:04 AM) Can't believe that they'd do that, D.J. can't be asking for too much and I honestly believe that he was more important to us than Jenks was last season. Â Maybe this is the problem, Carrasco IS asking for too much because him and his agent also feel that he was more important than Jenks last season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted December 11, 2009 Share Posted December 11, 2009 I'll be EXTREMELY pissed if we lose Carrasco. Here's a great article from fangraphs breaking down the top mop up guys in the game this past season. http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/mopping-up-in-2009 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted December 11, 2009 Share Posted December 11, 2009 Theres no way they do this, he is a very good reliever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chunk23 Posted December 11, 2009 Share Posted December 11, 2009 When was the last time the Sox non-tendered a player? I don't see it happening with Carrasco. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted December 11, 2009 Share Posted December 11, 2009 QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Dec 11, 2009 -> 12:14 PM) Maybe this is the problem, Carrasco IS asking for too much because him and his agent also feel that he was more important than Jenks last season Well, when your World Series winning manager is calling you the team MVP . . . The 2 sides have felt each other out and Sox are probably trying to lock him up to a small 1 year deal but perhaps he and his representative are intent on going before an arbitrator. Rather than risk paying him more than they deem doable in arbitration they'd rather cut ties altogether and spend that money elsewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted December 11, 2009 Share Posted December 11, 2009 They could just have Hudson come out of the bullpen and mop up... Â As great as D.J. is in his role, his role isn't very important considering we have 4 very effective starters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 11, 2009 Share Posted December 11, 2009 QUOTE (chw42 @ Dec 11, 2009 -> 03:21 PM) As great as D.J. is in his role, his role isn't very important considering we have 4 very effective starters. Frankly, it'd be really nice if you were right, but you're not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted December 11, 2009 Share Posted December 11, 2009 Mark Gonzales with similar speculation: http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2009/...co-could-b.html Ken Williams: Jenks still Sox's closer By Mark Gonzales  General manager Ken Williams spoke confidently about the depth of the White Sox's bullpen after Friday's acquisition of J.J. Putz.  "Obviously, Bobby (Jenks) is the closer," Williams said. "(Matt) Thornton can do a little bit of both, and now you have J.J. who also can do that. And everyone fills in behind them."  Putz's one-year, $3 million contract also calls for up to $3 million in incentives based on games finished. Putz is rehabilitating from surgery that removed a bone spur and fragments from his right elbow last June. Williams said the Sox have followed Putz's rehab in Phoenix and that he passed a physical examination this morning.  "No restrictions whatsoever," Williams said of Putz's status.  Thornton, a former teammate of Putz in Seattle who lives in the same community in Peoria, Ariz., raved about the acquisition and the depth of the Sox's bullpen.  "It can be a five-inning game," Thornton said. "With the arms we got now."  It also appears more likely that versatile reliever D.J. Carrasco will not be tendered a contract by Saturday at 11 p.m. and become a free agent. The Sox met with Carrasco's agent Wednesday.  "You'll just have to wait for those things to come down the pipeline, and everything will reveal itself in time," Williams said.  With the bench and bullpen taken care of, Williams said the Sox will shift their main focus on the offense, where a leadoff hitter is needed.  Should the Sox find the resources to add a leadoff batter and a left-handed hitter, "we'd be in pretty good shape going into spring training," Williams said. "But I told you guys berfore there's always one more move to make, no matter what it is." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenny Hates Prospects Posted December 11, 2009 Share Posted December 11, 2009 (edited) What about trading Linebrink to the D'backs for Chris Snyder? Â The salaries are very close: Linebrink: 10:$5M, 11:$5.5M Snyder: 10:$4.75M, 11:$5.75M, 12:$6.75M club option ($0.75M buyout) Â Snyder becomes the righty backup catcher to AJ, and he has some pop to go with it. The Sox save 250K. Then they could take that savings and add it to the $1M they're probably offering Redmond or whoever else and give it to Carrasco. Â Bullpen: Jenks CL Thornton LSU Putz RSU Pena righty specialist Williams lefty specialist Hudson MR Carrasco LR Â Snyder > Redmond, Carrasco > Linebrink Edited December 11, 2009 by Kenny Hates Prospects Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted December 11, 2009 Share Posted December 11, 2009 (edited) QUOTE (chw42 @ Dec 11, 2009 -> 02:21 PM) They could just have Hudson come out of the bullpen and mop up... As great as D.J. is in his role, his role isn't very important considering we have 4 very effective starters.  I agree that the loss isn't as big as some are making it out to be, but I don't agree that is isn't as important. Carrasco also pitched some 6th, 7th, 8th innings for us at times as well so he wasn't just strictly a mop up guy. He will be missed if he was non-tendered but this doesn't make our pen all of a sudden horrid. BTW I still do not trust Randy Williams at all. Edited December 11, 2009 by SoxAce Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted December 11, 2009 Share Posted December 11, 2009 I'm shocked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beck72 Posted December 11, 2009 Share Posted December 11, 2009 If I'm the Yankees, I ask the Sox for Carrasco in a deal for Brett Gardner. Â And for all the Linebrink trade talk, he's not going to waive his NTC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted December 11, 2009 Share Posted December 11, 2009 QUOTE (chunk23 @ Dec 11, 2009 -> 01:51 PM) When was the last time the Sox non-tendered a player? I don't see it happening with Carrasco. 2008: none 2007: Andy Gonzalez, Heath Phillips 2006: none 2005: Jon Adkins, Felix Diaz, Willie Harris, Timo Perez 2004: Scott Schoeneweis, Eduardo Villacis 2003: none 2002: Jim Parque, Todd Ritchie 2001: none 2000: Greg Norton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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