Manny Should Just Retire...

[Dick Allen]

Rosenbloom had a good one today said its not "Manny being Manny" now, its "Manny being Kotsay".

[hogan873]

Self centered jack ass works for me.

I'll go with that one from now over bum. No problem with me doing that.

Nice hit last night Manny, when we needed it.

I reacted the same way the crowd did when he whiffed. A loud groan.

[hogan873]

Rosenbloom had a good one today said its not "Manny being Manny" now, its "Manny being Kotsay".

Ha!

[thxfrthmmrs]

i think it would be really funny if the Twins or some other signs Manny as a DH next season and performs very well, then some of you guys go like man we should fire ozzie or whoever for not bringing back Manny!

[ChiliIrishHammock24]

Rosenbloom had a good one today said its not "Manny being Manny" now, its "Manny being Kotsay".

 

[ChiliIrishHammock24]

Self centered jack ass works for me.

I'll go with that one from now over bum. No problem with me doing that.

Nice hit last night Manny, when we needed it.

 

Jack-ass is much better than bum. Although he hasn't been a jack-ass with us yet, he has been one over his career, so that's appropriate. He has never been a bum though.

[lostfan]

Yeah... I mean really if we are just talking about on-field performance, calling Manny a bum is like calling Frank Thomas a bum.

[Dick Allen]

I just can't see Manny finishing the season actually playing everyday. There's no point putting him on the DL because of the expanded rosters, but I would bet all my real estate that he comes up with some injury before the end of the season.

[greg775]

i think it would be really funny if the Twins or some other signs Manny as a DH next season and performs very well, then some of you guys go like man we should fire ozzie or whoever for not bringing back Manny!

 

Great post.

I never thought of that. Yeah, he could be another guy sticking it to us next year if he is reborn as well.

[Dick Allen]

Great post.

I never thought of that. Yeah, he could be another guy sticking it to us next year if he is reborn as well.

I really wouldn't care. I would just assume he's back juicing. The guy is a White Sox for 4 weeks total. For the first 2 he has no extra base hits and no RBI. The team virtually loses any playoff chance. I won't shed a tear when the Manny Ramirez era ends. I look forward to it, and hope KW learns a lesson from it all.

[ChiliIrishHammock24]

I really wouldn't care. I would just assume he's back juicing. The guy is a White Sox for 4 weeks total. For the first 2 he has no extra base hits and no RBI. The team virtually loses any playoff chance. I won't shed a tear when the Manny Ramirez era ends. I look forward to it, and hope KW learns a lesson from it all.

 

That lesson being....Don't try to improve the team by adding an elite hitter, even if it means breaking the bank? Or maybe next time just lay down and let the Twins have the division instead of improving the team to try and fight for the playoffs? Not sure what lesson he is going to learn here.....

[greg775]

The lesson this year AGAIN is make some moves during the season.

No, Jackson for Hudson does not count.

 

If we could all remember how dominant this White Sox team looked for a LONG STRETCH.

We got back in the race miraculously. So at the break or shortly after the team needed some effective tinkering, which is uh, Kenny's job.

This second half has been an utter disaster. Shame on the Sox for standing pat again.

 

Yes a lot of people, including me, thought maybe this magical run would continue. I remember some dope calling Grobstein's show and saying, "I just can't see the Sox tapering off." That fan thought we'd continue at that 35-5 rate. But a GM has to have a better feel than some of us fans who got caught up in the 35-5 and Paulie who got caught up in it and said we needed nothing. As well as Ozzie who wanted to stand pat.

 

The Manny move was ridiculously timed although maybe his presence helped us sweep the Bosox somehow. Maybe seeing him freaked out that team and its fans.

Edited September 16, 2010 by greg775

[Vance Law]

Only problem was, that we got him to be a clutch hitter and drive in runs, so in essence, he really hasn't done squat for us when doing what he is being paid to do.

 

You can't get a player and have any expectations about what they'll do in a sample size as small as 13 games (meanwhile, he as a .429 OBP with the Sox).

 

You pick up Manny with a month to go, however, if you're in a pennant race and you have a manager dumb enough to demand that Mark Kotsay be an integral part of your offense for a substantial part of the season. Manny will without a doubt be an upgrade, as he has been. And there is a very good chance that he'll be excellent, just like he has been overall this season, and last season, and the season before that, and every single season he has played in the big leagues. Mark Kotsay's best offensive season was not as good as Manny's worst offensive season. Kotsay's career best season was not as good as Manny's worst season. Kotsay's career best season was not as good as Jim Thome's worst season.

 

[Jordan4life_2007]

The lesson this year AGAIN is make some moves during the season.

No, Jackson for Hudson does not count.

 

If we could all remember how dominant this White Sox team looked for a LONG STRETCH.

We got back in the race miraculously. So at the break or shortly after the team needed some effective tinkering, which is uh, Kenny's job.

This second half has been an utter disaster. Shame on the Sox for standing pat again.

 

Yes a lot of people, including me, thought maybe this magical run would continue. I remember some dope calling Grobstein's show and saying, "I just can't see the Sox tapering off." That fan thought we'd continue at that 35-5 rate. But a GM has to have a better feel than some of us fans who got caught up in the 35-5 and Paulie who got caught up in it and said we needed nothing. As well as Ozzie who wanted to stand pat.

 

The Manny move was ridiculously timed although maybe his presence helped us sweep the Bosox somehow. Maybe seeing him freaked out that team and its fans.

 

No, the lesson is to make moves BEFORE the season. You know, when it's not required that ANOTHER team has to want what you have to give. I know you're hard-headed. But damn.

[Dick Allen]

That lesson being....Don't try to improve the team by adding an elite hitter, even if it means breaking the bank? Or maybe next time just lay down and let the Twins have the division instead of improving the team to try and fight for the playoffs? Not sure what lesson he is going to learn here.....

No, the lesson being you can't neglect a huge part of your team, the DH is a position, for 130 games under the assumption you will just pick up somebody and they will come in and mash. $4 million is way too much for Manny. He's a shell of his former self. I would also bet that the reality is KW isn't a big fan of having to bend the rules based on how many homers you have hit in your career.

 

BTW, Manny hasn't been an elite hitter since he came back from his suspension. Maybe its just coincidence, but his slugging pct and batting average are identical for the White Sox, he's here for a month, and halfway through is still looking for an RBI. Kotsay has hit .333 his last 20 games, so the reality is Manny wasn't even an upgrade.

[hogan873]

No, the lesson being you can't neglect a huge part of your team, the DH is a position, for 130 games under the assumption you will just pick up somebody and they will come in and mash. $4 million is way too much for Manny. He's a shell of his former self. I would also bet that the reality is KW isn't a big fan of having to bend the rules based on how many homers you have hit in your career.

 

BTW, Manny hasn't been an elite hitter since he came back from his suspension. Maybe its just coincidence, but his slugging pct and batting average are identical for the White Sox, he's here for a month, and halfway through is still looking for an RBI. Kotsay has hit .333 his last 20 games, so the reality is Manny wasn't even an upgrade.

Unfortunately you are 100% correct. I know the argument of the rotating DH situation has been season long, but I can't see how anyone would not agree that it at least had a hand in this team's overall disappointing performance. Granted the first two months may have set the tone for the season, and everything but the bullpen was bad. I just hope the team goes into 2011 with a DH, not an idea of 3, 4, or 5 guys who could be a DH once in a while.

[LittleHurt05]

Unfortunately you are 100% correct. I know the argument of the rotating DH situation has been season long, but I can't see how anyone would not agree that it at least had a hand in this team's overall disappointing performance. Granted the first two months may have set the tone for the season, and everything but the bullpen was bad. I just hope the team goes into 2011 with a DH, not an idea of 3, 4, or 5 guys who could be a DH once in a while.

 

There is still nothing wrong with the concept of the rotating DH. It's the players that you rotate that are the problem. When Mark Kotsay gets over 80 of those starts, then you have a f***ing problem. Letting your best position players get days of rest, but keeping their bats in the lineup in the DH spot is a great idea. But when they are getting replaced by sub-replacement players (I don't know if thats a word), then the idea looks stupid.

 

 

[Milkman delivers]

There is still nothing wrong with the concept of the rotating DH. It's the players that you rotate that are the problem. When Mark Kotsay gets over 80 of those starts, then you have a f***ing problem. Letting your best position players get days of rest, but keeping their bats in the lineup in the DH spot is a great idea. But when they are getting replaced by sub-replacement players (I don't know if thats a word), then the idea looks stupid.

 

The rotating DH is like Communism. They both work in theory.

[ChiliIrishHammock24]

No, the lesson being you can't neglect a huge part of your team, the DH is a position, for 130 games under the assumption you will just pick up somebody and they will come in and mash. $4 million is way too much for Manny. He's a shell of his former self. I would also bet that the reality is KW isn't a big fan of having to bend the rules based on how many homers you have hit in your career.

 

BTW, Manny hasn't been an elite hitter since he came back from his suspension. Maybe its just coincidence, but his slugging pct and batting average are identical for the White Sox, he's here for a month, and halfway through is still looking for an RBI. Kotsay has hit .333 his last 20 games, so the reality is Manny wasn't even an upgrade.

 

Ok, I can get behind that.

[Vance Law]

The rotating DH is like Communism. They both work in theory.

 

The idea of a "rotating DH" isn't inherently good or bad. Would a rotating DH unit of Pujols and Ryan Howard be good? Yes, it would be great. How about one that features Jim Thome or Aubrey Huff? Excellent. How about one that gives the most at bats to Mark Kotsay? Terrible. It's players that are good or bad. And Ozzie is an idiot for demanding Kotsay be on the team and given those at bats.

Edited September 16, 2010 by Vance Law

[kitekrazy]

And Ozzie is an idiot for demanding Kotsay be on the team and given those at bats.

 

Hopefully he's seen enough to know it was a bad idea. Or how much is enough? Maybe Kenny will trade him behind Ozzie's back.

Kotsay is the new Mackowiak. Only fans get tired of seeing him.

 

 

[Balta1701]

Hopefully he's seen enough to know it was a bad idea. Or how much is enough? Maybe Kenny will trade him behind Ozzie's back.

Kotsay is the new Mackowiak. Only fans get tired of seeing him.

He doesn't need to be traded, he just needs to not be resigned and allowed to retire. Or made a bench coach. Whatever.

[Milkman delivers]

The idea of a "rotating DH" isn't inherently good or bad. Would a rotating DH unit of Pujols and Ryan Howard be good? Yes, it would be great. How about one that features Jim Thome or Aubrey Huff? Excellent. How about one that gives the most at bats to Mark Kotsay? Terrible. It's players that are good or bad. And Ozzie is an idiot for demanding Kotsay be on the team and given those at bats.

 

Like I said, it works in theory.

[elrockinMT]

Did the Twins sign Thome to a one year deal?

[elrockinMT]

Hopefully he's seen enough to know it was a bad idea. Or how much is enough? Maybe Kenny will trade him behind Ozzie's back.

Kotsay is the new Mackowiak. Only fans get tired of seeing him.

 

 

He can usually play pretty good 1B defense- not all the time mind you but usually