fathom Posted December 8, 2010 Share Posted December 8, 2010 QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Dec 8, 2010 -> 05:20 PM) It is but we'll be able to sign a decent reliever for relatively cheap and then go out and trade for one somehow. Like I said, KW isn't leaving the pen like this, not happening. Everything I've heard is Thornton or Sale is closer, and they'll sign Byrdak as their other lefty reliever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted December 8, 2010 Share Posted December 8, 2010 QUOTE (fathom @ Dec 8, 2010 -> 11:22 AM) Everything I've heard is Thornton or Sale is closer, and they'll sign Byrdak as their other lefty reliever. He was pretty much the guy I was thinking of as a cheap sign for the Sox. Perfect LOOGY. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hogan873 Posted December 8, 2010 Share Posted December 8, 2010 One thing I think we're missing here is the fact that we don't know exactly what has transpired over the past three days. We have been going off of tweets and posts from people who have sources, hear things, etc. We don't know that it was all PK who held this up. And we don't know for sure that he was asking for $15 million a year. My speculation is that the sticking point was the third year. And they came to an agreement including the third year with some creative deferrment. I'm not saying PK is innocent at all, but to say he's greedy and he acted like Jeter...I don't know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 8, 2010 Share Posted December 8, 2010 QUOTE (pittshoganerkoff @ Dec 8, 2010 -> 06:24 PM) One thing I think we're missing here is the fact that we don't know exactly what has transpired over the past three days. We have been going off of tweets and posts from people who have sources, hear things, etc. We don't know that it was all PK who held this up. And we don't know for sure that he was asking for $15 million a year. My speculation is that the sticking point was the third year. And they came to an agreement including the third year with some creative deferrment. I'm not saying PK is innocent at all, but to say he's greedy and he acted like Jeter...I don't know. Agreed, great post. We have no clue how much he was asking for, and considering what he finally signed for, it seems like Konerko and Landis holding out for $15 million was incorrect. Whatever happened, we got a good deal out of this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted December 8, 2010 Share Posted December 8, 2010 Many posters here didn't even want PK in 2008 or 2009 for $12 million. Now you guys want him in 2012 for $12 million. But I'm the crazy one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LVSoxFan Posted December 8, 2010 Share Posted December 8, 2010 :headbang LOVE IT. I would love to see finally a Sox icon retire as a White Sock. Plus, he's a hell of a first baseman. JESSSSSSSSSSS! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottyDo Posted December 8, 2010 Share Posted December 8, 2010 QUOTE (iamshack @ Dec 8, 2010 -> 02:25 PM) Many posters here didn't even want PK in 2008 or 2009 for $12 million. Now you guys want him in 2012 for $12 million. But I'm the crazy one. It's not 2008 or 2009. New evidence has cropped up since then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 8, 2010 Share Posted December 8, 2010 Well, I'll add in and say I'm content with the lineup now. Hopefully Viciedo doesn't turn into Miguel Cabrera when he's traded away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capn12 Posted December 8, 2010 Share Posted December 8, 2010 Lefty: Thornton Righty: Santos Long Relief: Pena or someone of that ilk LOOGY: Byrdak ROOGY: someone we'll find in the system Closer: Sale Where is this huge demand for a high priced 'pen arm? If we get one, great, if not, it isn't like we're running straight scrubs out there... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted December 8, 2010 Share Posted December 8, 2010 QUOTE (Capn12 @ Dec 8, 2010 -> 12:27 PM) Lefty: Thornton Righty: Santos Long Relief: Pena or someone of that ilk LOOGY: Byrdak ROOGY: someone we'll find in the system Closer: Sale Where is this huge demand for a high priced 'pen arm? If we get one, great, if not, it isn't like we're running straight scrubs out there... Gotta sign Byrdak first Overall, it'd be nice to get that LOOGY and one other quality arm and I'd be more than content. EDIT: And I think the worry among some people is that Santos and Sale aren't very proven. That personally doesn't worry me at all as I'd bet on them being two of the very best relievers in baseball this season(ya, I'm that confident in both of them). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottyDo Posted December 8, 2010 Share Posted December 8, 2010 (edited) QUOTE (Capn12 @ Dec 8, 2010 -> 02:27 PM) Lefty: Thornton Righty: Santos Long Relief: Pena or someone of that ilk LOOGY: Byrdak ROOGY: someone we'll find in the system Closer: Sale Where is this huge demand for a high priced 'pen arm? If we get one, great, if not, it isn't like we're running straight scrubs out there... I am slightly concerned about that roster but SOOO much can change between now and April, and I think the goal of this offseason is to field a team with no obvious holes, so the money will magically appear if it makes us a division favorite. Edited December 8, 2010 by ScottyDo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted December 8, 2010 Share Posted December 8, 2010 At first you would be shocked the Sox gave Paulie 3 years. I love Paulie but this is an overpay, however if Carlos Pena can get $10 million after the year he had its a bargain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted December 8, 2010 Share Posted December 8, 2010 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 8, 2010 -> 11:30 AM) At first you would be shocked the Sox gave Paulie 3 years. I love Paulie but this is an overpay, however if Carlos Pena can get $10 million after the year he had its a bargain. The key to me is $27.5 million dollars, not 10 versus 13. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capn12 Posted December 8, 2010 Share Posted December 8, 2010 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 8, 2010 -> 12:30 PM) At first you would be shocked the Sox gave Paulie 3 years. I love Paulie but this is an overpay, however if Carlos Pena can get $10 million after the year he had its a bargain. Yeah, Pena's money for what he produced last year is quite odd. I wonder where that is going to put DLee at, moneywise... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justBLAZE Posted December 8, 2010 Share Posted December 8, 2010 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 8, 2010 -> 11:30 AM) At first you would be shocked the Sox gave Paulie 3 years. I love Paulie but this is an overpay, however if Carlos Pena can get $10 million after the year he had its a bargain. Guys at 670thescore + Cowley were raving how this is a 'hometown discount' pretty much and Paulie took great concessions to be back with the White Sox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted December 8, 2010 Share Posted December 8, 2010 QUOTE (justBLAZE @ Dec 8, 2010 -> 12:32 PM) Guys at 670thescore + Cowley were raving how this is a 'hometown discount' pretty much and Paulie took great concessions to be back with the White Sox. Everyone is drinking the coolaid. Where else was he going to go, folks? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted December 8, 2010 Share Posted December 8, 2010 Look at what Jayson Werth got and tell me this is an overpay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted December 8, 2010 Share Posted December 8, 2010 So I take it we're no longer making inquiries into Prince Fielder? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 8, 2010 Share Posted December 8, 2010 QUOTE (iamshack @ Dec 8, 2010 -> 12:33 PM) Everyone is drinking the coolaid. Where else was he going to go, folks? I could imagine that the Orioles offered him a similar deal to this. Not huge hometown discount though, especially when the tax rates get calculated. Just like last time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Princess Dye Posted December 8, 2010 Share Posted December 8, 2010 QUOTE (iamshack @ Dec 8, 2010 -> 11:31 AM) The key to me is $27.5 million dollars, not 10 versus 13. Is your concern that he'll be unable to play 1B and produce in year 3? Or that there are going to be tons of holes we can't fill by year 3 and will want that money? The way I see it, there is a decently aged core and some money coming off the books by then that will mitigate that. And our best prospect is a 1B. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justBLAZE Posted December 8, 2010 Share Posted December 8, 2010 QUOTE (iamshack @ Dec 8, 2010 -> 11:33 AM) Everyone is drinking the coolaid. Where else was he going to go, folks? Don't get me wrong I said yesterday that I would offer Paulie 2/25, and I'm happy we got him for the next two years. The way I look at it, we got him for 6.5M in 2013 and the deferred money is Jerry's loyalty to a legend/captain of this team. I guess I will take it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan562004 Posted December 8, 2010 Share Posted December 8, 2010 QUOTE (iamshack @ Dec 8, 2010 -> 11:33 AM) Everyone is drinking the coolaid. Where else was he going to go, folks? Rangers, Os and I imagine there would have been one or two non-obvious teams interested in him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capn12 Posted December 8, 2010 Share Posted December 8, 2010 If the 3/30 offer from the Diamondbacks was the only other legitimate offer, then sure...overpay happened. I'm just wondering if the Rangers or Orioles were flashing anything close to what we were. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted December 8, 2010 Share Posted December 8, 2010 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 8, 2010 -> 12:34 PM) I could imagine that the Orioles offered him a similar deal to this. Not huge hometown discount though, especially when the tax rates get calculated. Just like last time. Yep. And I would have said go play in Baltimore. He expressed no interest in Baltimore and even his agent told them that. It was never a realistic option. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted December 8, 2010 Share Posted December 8, 2010 QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Dec 8, 2010 -> 12:34 PM) Look at what Jayson Werth got and tell me this is an overpay. That's a great measuring stick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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