Pale Sox Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Freddy Garcia has reached agreement on a minor league deal with the #Yankees, source said. Crasnick twitter. He must have really wanted to play for the Yankees if he was cool with a minor league deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 QUOTE (Pale Sox @ Jan 31, 2011 -> 08:19 PM) Crasnick twitter. He must have really wanted to play for the Yankees if he was cool with a minor league deal. That, or the Sox did not want him as much as we think we did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pale Sox Posted February 1, 2011 Author Share Posted February 1, 2011 QUOTE (Jake @ Jan 31, 2011 -> 09:20 PM) That, or the Sox did not want him as much as we think we did. I'm sure other teams would have some interest in him on a major league deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
claydude14 Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 I'd say he has a better chance at starting the entire year with the Yankees where as with us, when Peavy comes back he'd most definitely be the first man out of the roto. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 (edited) I read somewhere the Sox were only offering about 500k guaranteed. I personally would have taken him back at that price, but Freddy could blow up at anytime. One less Oney playmate. If he makes the team he gets a 1.5 million contract with some incentives. Edited February 1, 2011 by Dick Allen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 I guess he REALLY wants that world series ring. I can't imagine he didn't have ANY major league offers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 QUOTE (JoeCoolMan24 @ Jan 31, 2011 -> 08:46 PM) I guess he REALLY wants that world series ring. I can't imagine he didn't have ANY major league offers. Wants that 2nd World Series ring. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jan 31, 2011 -> 09:53 PM) Wants that 2nd World Series ring. Yes............. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreatScott82 Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jan 31, 2011 -> 08:53 PM) Wants that 2nd World Series ring. Then he should have re-signed with the team he won his first one with Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenny Hates Prospects Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Freddy continues to be underrated. 2010 league average (180IP): 4.14 ERA; 1.344 WHIP; 8.9 H/9; 1.0 HR/9; 3.2 BB/9; 6.8 K/9 2010 Freddy Garcia (157IP): 4.64 ERA; 1.376 WHIP; 9.8 H/9; 1.3 HR/9; 2.6 BB/9; 5.1 K/9 Freddy wasn't too far from being a league average pitcher last year, with the main knock being IP after his first full season back from surgery. And if you look at all the pitchers Freddy outperformed last year (and some of them may be surprising) while taking into account their salaries, what Freddy did for us was pretty damn valuable. He's certainly worth $2M guaranteed, so I have to believe there were better money offers out there. Freddy needs the opportunity to win a starting job and keep it though, so I'm sure that's why he went to New York. Good luck to him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Damn. Wanted Freddy as a swingman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heads22 Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 QUOTE (Kenny Hates Prospects @ Jan 31, 2011 -> 09:16 PM) Freddy continues to be underrated. 2010 league average (180IP): 4.14 ERA; 1.344 WHIP; 8.9 H/9; 1.0 HR/9; 3.2 BB/9; 6.8 K/9 2010 Freddy Garcia (157IP): 4.64 ERA; 1.376 WHIP; 9.8 H/9; 1.3 HR/9; 2.6 BB/9; 5.1 K/9 Freddy wasn't too far from being a league average pitcher last year, with the main knock being IP after his first full season back from surgery. And if you look at all the pitchers Freddy outperformed last year (and some of them may be surprising) while taking into account their salaries, what Freddy did for us was pretty damn valuable. He's certainly worth $2M guaranteed, so I have to believe there were better money offers out there. Freddy needs the opportunity to win a starting job and keep it though, so I'm sure that's why he went to New York. Good luck to him. Yeah, but he's a hell of a lot more likely to regress than tend towards the league average or even maintain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 QUOTE (Kenny Hates Prospects @ Jan 31, 2011 -> 09:16 PM) Freddy continues to be underrated. 2010 league average (180IP): 4.14 ERA; 1.344 WHIP; 8.9 H/9; 1.0 HR/9; 3.2 BB/9; 6.8 K/9 2010 Freddy Garcia (157IP): 4.64 ERA; 1.376 WHIP; 9.8 H/9; 1.3 HR/9; 2.6 BB/9; 5.1 K/9 Freddy wasn't too far from being a league average pitcher last year, with the main knock being IP after his first full season back from surgery. And if you look at all the pitchers Freddy outperformed last year (and some of them may be surprising) while taking into account their salaries, what Freddy did for us was pretty damn valuable. He's certainly worth $2M guaranteed, so I have to believe there were better money offers out there. Freddy needs the opportunity to win a starting job and keep it though, so I'm sure that's why he went to New York. Good luck to him. Freddy's worth it as long as you pay him less than $4-5 million a year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenny Hates Prospects Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 QUOTE (Heads22 @ Jan 31, 2011 -> 09:26 PM) Yeah, but he's a hell of a lot more likely to regress than tend towards the league average or even maintain. Perhaps in that ballpark and in that division, but Freddy post-surgery does a better job taking care of himself, and I wouldn't be at all surprised if he ends up physically stronger next season and capable of working deeper into games than last season. The pressure in NY isn't going to get to Freddy, but the bandbox part of it may. I'd like his chances to equal or improve upon what he did here last year however had he re-signed with us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenny Hates Prospects Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 QUOTE (chw42 @ Jan 31, 2011 -> 09:36 PM) Freddy's worth it as long as you pay him less than $4-5 million a year. Agreed. People like to trash Freddy because the FB isn't nearly what it used to be, but the secondary stuff is there and he knows how to pitch. Sometimes I think people forget how easy it is for MLB hitters to park mid-90's heat when they don't have to worry about the guy on the mound getting his breaking ball over. For a team like the Yankees who are going to contend no matter what, a guy like Freddy could definitely make a difference, because even when he's not at his best, he can still get himself out of jams and get the Yankee offense back up there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxfest Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Bye sweaty Freddy! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 QUOTE (Kenny Hates Prospects @ Jan 31, 2011 -> 09:57 PM) Perhaps in that ballpark and in that division, but Freddy post-surgery does a better job taking care of himself, and I wouldn't be at all surprised if he ends up physically stronger next season and capable of working deeper into games than last season. The pressure in NY isn't going to get to Freddy, but the bandbox part of it may. I'd like his chances to equal or improve upon what he did here last year however had he re-signed with us. Garcia isn't ever going to be able to work deep into games consistently. To work deep into a game as a starting pitcher, you have to be able to attack the strike zone and be the aggressor. That isn't his game anymore. If Garcia attacks the strikezone on a consistent basis, he is going to be pummeled. He was successful last year because he could locate his offspeed pitches pretty well and make hitters get themselves out, so his success is really dependent on the aggressiveness of the other team. When he has to throw the ball in the zone, especially his fastball, he gets hit very hard. Further, due to his injury history, you really don't want Garcia throwing a ton of pitches either, so even though he isn't throwing that hard, it is hard relative to the durability of his shoulder. Naturally there will be times when he is locating particularly well and his junk is working and he is keeping hitters off balance to the point where he will get a 7-8 inning game in, but there will be other times when he will go 4-6 innings and either have to be pulled because he has gotten hit hard or because he has reached his pitch count. I think the most innings Freddy Garcia can pitch from this point on is about 180 innings, and I think that is even pushing it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Bartolo and Freddie , what a combo for the Yankees! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pale Sox Posted February 1, 2011 Author Share Posted February 1, 2011 As insulting as it is....I give Freddy his due for obviously not giving too much of a s*** about salary. He knew what he wanted. He wanted to pitch for the Yankees once in his career. I think it's a cliched and stupid goal, but who am I to judge. He sacrificed money to do what he wanted. Hard to not respect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox_Sonix Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Very surprising to see him only on a minor league deal. Of course with the state of the Yankees staff he should have a pretty good chance to be on the major league roster I'd imagine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Feb 1, 2011 -> 01:26 AM) Garcia isn't ever going to be able to work deep into games consistently. To work deep into a game as a starting pitcher, you have to be able to attack the strike zone and be the aggressor. That isn't his game anymore. If Garcia attacks the strikezone on a consistent basis, he is going to be pummeled. He was successful last year because he could locate his offspeed pitches pretty well and make hitters get themselves out, so his success is really dependent on the aggressiveness of the other team. When he has to throw the ball in the zone, especially his fastball, he gets hit very hard. Further, due to his injury history, you really don't want Garcia throwing a ton of pitches either, so even though he isn't throwing that hard, it is hard relative to the durability of his shoulder. Great point. I remember last year, as soon as you saw the umpire's strike zone, you would know how long Freddy would last. If the ump was being generous on the corners, Freddy would be OK, cause he'd be able to dance his pitches around the zone. But if the strike zone was tight, he would have no chance. Either he would walk guys or would have to get it in the middle of the zone, and the ball would be getting hit very, very hard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 QUOTE (ChiSox_Sonix @ Feb 1, 2011 -> 07:54 AM) Very surprising to see him only on a minor league deal. Of course with the state of the Yankees staff he should have a pretty good chance to be on the major league roster I'd imagine. I'm personally more surprised to see him wind up in the AL, rather than in the NL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Jan 31, 2011 -> 10:19 PM) Damn. Wanted Freddy as a swingman. Others have noted that keeping him as a swingman is tough, because he not only takes a while to warm up (remember 2005-2006 how he'd have an ERA over 6 in the first inning?), but he also has to make sure his arm is loose after the injury. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxrwhite Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 (edited) Watching him last year the eye test told me he was washed up by the end. His velocity got pathetic and a good hitter would wait for him to lay it in there. He is not a bullpen type so let the Yankees build an over the hill junk pile. Edited February 1, 2011 by since56 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 QUOTE (since56 @ Feb 1, 2011 -> 08:31 AM) Watching him last year the eye test told me he was washed up by the end. His velocity got pathetic and a good hitter would wait for him to lay it in there. He is not a bullpen type so let the Yankees build an over the hill junk pile. I think everyone felt that way watching him but he still somehow managed to get hitters out. I'm certainly not his biggest fan at this point but he's definitely an upgrade over what we're going to have to throw out there until Peavy gets back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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