Dick Allen Posted April 3, 2011 Share Posted April 3, 2011 (edited) QUOTE (iamshack @ Apr 3, 2011 -> 01:08 PM) I think that is why the bunt was put down...because Ozzie wanted them to be able to score on a single... If they don't think Alexei has any chance against Masterson, he should be on the bench, and there still would have been one out with the top of the order and Pierre, and non DP guy at the plate. Edited April 3, 2011 by Dick Allen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jphat007 Posted April 3, 2011 Share Posted April 3, 2011 Sure would've been nice to have 2 in scoring position for that single. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peanut33tillman Posted April 3, 2011 Share Posted April 3, 2011 OMARRR 2-2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted April 3, 2011 Share Posted April 3, 2011 QUOTE (fathom @ Apr 3, 2011 -> 02:09 PM) Any projection on when the rain's going to hit? It's not moving all that quick right now, good shot to make this official and even get D1 the win if we get through this inning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jphat007 Posted April 3, 2011 Share Posted April 3, 2011 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Apr 3, 2011 -> 12:09 PM) If they don't think Alexei has any chance against Masterson, he should be on the bench. I'd agree with that. Alexei look awful as usual in April. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted April 3, 2011 Share Posted April 3, 2011 Juan Pierre bunting...I have limited to no problem with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted April 3, 2011 Share Posted April 3, 2011 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Apr 3, 2011 -> 12:09 PM) If they don't think Alexei has any chance against Masterson, he should be on the bench. First of all, that's not the thinking, but secondly, they're not going to play Lilli instead of Alexei unless they have to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted April 3, 2011 Share Posted April 3, 2011 QUOTE (jphat007 @ Apr 3, 2011 -> 11:06 AM) Ozzie will ALWAYS bunt in that situation against a guy that owns us, even early in the game. So our guys better get f***ing used to it and learn to put down an easy f***ing bunt. Honestly, I didn't think it was a bad call by Ozzie but after the 1st attempt I say swing away. Chances of GIDP with a sinkerballer are decent so get men on 2nd and 3rd with 1 out isn't a bad thing. As I type Pierre bunts successfully. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted April 3, 2011 Share Posted April 3, 2011 So no one wants to say it was a great play by the 1B, but rather that it was a terrible bunt by Alexei? I mean, if it was a terrible bunt, then the fielder would not have to of dove and made a fantastic play to get it in the end of his mitt. A terrible bunt would have made for an easy out, not a spectacular play. Terrible baserunning, sure. Terrible bunt? Eh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted April 3, 2011 Share Posted April 3, 2011 (edited) QUOTE (iamshack @ Apr 3, 2011 -> 01:11 PM) First of all, that's not the thinking, but secondly, they're not going to play Lilli instead of Alexei unless they have to. That's what you implied. You said they wanted Quentin to be able to score on a single so they had a guy who cannot bunt, bunt with nobody out. It wasn't a good idea. Edited April 3, 2011 by Dick Allen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peanut33tillman Posted April 3, 2011 Share Posted April 3, 2011 Shake it off Gordo, looks fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justBLAZE Posted April 3, 2011 Share Posted April 3, 2011 Make'em pay Dunn. PS. Even Oney said Alexei can't bunt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jphat007 Posted April 3, 2011 Share Posted April 3, 2011 QUOTE (JoeCoolMan24 @ Apr 3, 2011 -> 12:12 PM) So no one wants to say it was a great play by the 1B, but rather that it was a terrible bunt by Alexei? I mean, if it was a terrible bunt, then the fielder would not have to of dove and made a fantastic play to get it in the end of his mitt. A terrible bunt would have made for an easy out, not a spectacular play. Terrible baserunning, sure. Terrible bunt? Eh. It was a terrible bunt. It was in the air long enough for the firstbasemen to get there. That is a terrible bunt. Still a great play by Santana. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted April 3, 2011 Share Posted April 3, 2011 QUOTE (JoeCoolMan24 @ Apr 3, 2011 -> 06:12 PM) So no one wants to say it was a great play by the 1B, but rather that it was a terrible bunt by Alexei? I mean, if it was a terrible bunt, then the fielder would not have to of dove and made a fantastic play to get it in the end of his mitt. A terrible bunt would have made for an easy out, not a spectacular play. Terrible baserunning, sure. Terrible bunt? Eh. Considering the same thing nearly happened on the first bunt attempt, Santana probably moved up a little. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted April 3, 2011 Share Posted April 3, 2011 QUOTE (JoeCoolMan24 @ Apr 3, 2011 -> 01:12 PM) So no one wants to say it was a great play by the 1B, but rather that it was a terrible bunt by Alexei? I mean, if it was a terrible bunt, then the fielder would not have to of dove and made a fantastic play to get it in the end of his mitt. A terrible bunt would have made for an easy out, not a spectacular play. Terrible baserunning, sure. Terrible bunt? Eh. It was a nice play. It appeared to be a bunt and run, but under no circumstance is a bunt anything but bad if its caught on the fly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peanut33tillman Posted April 3, 2011 Share Posted April 3, 2011 Dunn may have just missed one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted April 3, 2011 Share Posted April 3, 2011 Even his routine shallow fly balls get you excited. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilliamTell Posted April 3, 2011 Share Posted April 3, 2011 Getting back to mid season form huh? We hit into a triple play and the Twins get a bunt single on the same exact play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted April 3, 2011 Share Posted April 3, 2011 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Apr 3, 2011 -> 12:12 PM) That's what you implied. You said they wanted Quentin to be able to score on a single so they had a guy who cannot bunt, bunt with nobody out. It wasn't a good idea. No, I implied that you thinking it would make sense to bunt with run producers coming up was backasswards thinking. I don't think either of us were in favor of bunting there, but it makes more sense to try and move runners to 2nd and 3rd with Omar and Pierre coming up since they are primarily singles hitters versus moving them along with run producers coming up who have a much bigger chance of hitting a ball deep in the gap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted April 3, 2011 Share Posted April 3, 2011 C'mon PK , a hit here and you pretty much cement the PTC . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jphat007 Posted April 3, 2011 Share Posted April 3, 2011 Pitching around him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted April 3, 2011 Share Posted April 3, 2011 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Apr 3, 2011 -> 02:14 PM) It was a nice play. It appeared to be a bunt and run, but under no circumstance is a bunt anything but bad if its caught on the fly. It was bad, because it was in the air, but I didn't think it was terrible. A lot of times that bunt would get down, even with the 1 second of hangtime it had. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted April 3, 2011 Share Posted April 3, 2011 QUOTE (iamshack @ Apr 3, 2011 -> 01:15 PM) No, I implied that you thinking it would make sense to bunt with run producers coming up was backasswards thinking. I don't think either of us were in favor of bunting there, but it makes more sense to try and move runners to 2nd and 3rd with Omar and Pierre coming up since they are primarily singles hitters versus moving them along with run producers coming up who have a much bigger chance of hitting a ball deep in the gap. And it makes no sense to move players up to second and third when you have hitters who can drive home runners without having to get a hit? My point is, the guys who bunt should be the guys who know how to bunt. Alexei isn't one of those guys. Asking him to bunt is stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted April 3, 2011 Share Posted April 3, 2011 QUOTE (JoeCoolMan24 @ Apr 3, 2011 -> 02:16 PM) It was bad, because it was in the air, but I didn't think it was terrible. A lot of times that bunt would get down, even with the 1 second of hangtime it had. THat was a terrible bunting technique even if it had worked. It was the classic "Chopping downwards on the ball" bunt, which is going to lead to popup after popup. It was the same thing Lexi did on the first attempt too. If you have a guy with that technique bunt, half of his bunt attempts will wind up with 0-2 counts, another 30% will be popups for outs, and maybe 20% will fall in for sacrifices. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted April 3, 2011 Share Posted April 3, 2011 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Apr 3, 2011 -> 12:18 PM) And it makes no sense to move players up to second and third when you have hitters who can drive home runners without having to get a hit? My point is, the guys who bunt should be the guys who know how to bunt. Alexei isn't one of those guys. Asking him to bunt is stupid. You probably should have just said that the first time then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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