Harry Chappas Posted April 3, 2011 Share Posted April 3, 2011 He is a f***ing LOOGY that is it. Guillen is trying to make him something he is not. This is Randy Williams all over again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted April 3, 2011 Share Posted April 3, 2011 QUOTE (Harry Chappas @ Apr 3, 2011 -> 02:59 PM) He is a f***ing LOOGY that is it. Guillen is trying to make him something he is not. This is Randy Williams all over again. Randy Williams's problem is that he couldn't get lefties out either. Of course...right now...Ohman can't throw a strike to a lefty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan99 Posted April 3, 2011 Share Posted April 3, 2011 I'm sick of Will Ohman already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real Posted April 3, 2011 Share Posted April 3, 2011 Danks is a good pitcher, but please stop using the word 'Ace' next to his name, he's nowhere close to earning that title yet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted April 3, 2011 Share Posted April 3, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Apr 3, 2011 -> 01:58 PM) 7/$120. And I wouldn't want to be the team paying it. What about Danks makes you say that? Is it just the amount of money committed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kjshoe04 Posted April 3, 2011 Share Posted April 3, 2011 QUOTE (Real @ Apr 3, 2011 -> 02:01 PM) Danks is a good pitcher, but please stop using the word 'Ace' next to his name, he's nowhere close to earning that title yet JDINAA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted April 3, 2011 Share Posted April 3, 2011 QUOTE (Elgin Slim @ Apr 3, 2011 -> 03:01 PM) What about Danks makes you say that? Is it just the amount of money committed? And the length. That is market rate for a 27-28 year old LH starting pitcher right now. And on the FA market, teams are simply overpaying for starting pitching because there isn't enough of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted April 3, 2011 Share Posted April 3, 2011 QUOTE (Real @ Apr 3, 2011 -> 02:01 PM) Danks is a good pitcher, but please stop using the word 'Ace' next to his name, he's nowhere close to earning that title yet We are discussing a hypothetical situation where he takes that next step this season. I know that he is not there yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted April 3, 2011 Share Posted April 3, 2011 QUOTE (Elgin Slim @ Apr 3, 2011 -> 02:01 PM) What about Danks makes you say that? Is it just the amount of money committed? Because he is a six inning pitcher. Today is the prime example of why he is not an ace. He is a really good pitcher but not worth a contract of that magnitude. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted April 3, 2011 Share Posted April 3, 2011 QUOTE (Real @ Apr 3, 2011 -> 03:01 PM) Danks is a good pitcher, but please stop using the word 'Ace' next to his name, he's nowhere close to earning that title yet If we're ripping D1, seriously look at the actual numbers. 6 IP, 6 h, 2 ER, 1 BB, 8 K's. If Roy Halladay put up that line, you wouldn't be sitting there saying "He's not an ace!". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peanut33tillman Posted April 3, 2011 Share Posted April 3, 2011 Corpse ball at its finest today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted April 3, 2011 Share Posted April 3, 2011 QUOTE (peanut33tillman @ Apr 3, 2011 -> 07:05 PM) Corpse ball at its finest today. That triple play changed the whole momentum of this game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted April 3, 2011 Share Posted April 3, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Apr 3, 2011 -> 02:03 PM) If we're ripping D1, seriously look at the actual numbers. 6 IP, 6 h, 2 ER, 1 BB, 8 K's. If Roy Halladay put up that line, you wouldn't be sitting there saying "He's not an ace!". Not calling him an ace is not ripping him. Starters need to give you more than 6 innings. Masterson cooled down a hot hitting team today. Nobody his confusing him with Roy Halladay. Wow have these bats gone south. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real Posted April 3, 2011 Share Posted April 3, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Apr 3, 2011 -> 02:03 PM) If we're ripping D1, seriously look at the actual numbers. 6 IP, 6 h, 2 ER, 1 BB, 8 K's. If Roy Halladay put up that line, you wouldn't be sitting there saying "He's not an ace!". Shrug, it's not my fault you can't correctly evaluate talent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted April 3, 2011 Share Posted April 3, 2011 (edited) QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Apr 3, 2011 -> 02:02 PM) And the length. That is market rate for a 27-28 year old LH starting pitcher right now. And on the FA market, teams are simply overpaying for starting pitching because there isn't enough of it. Do you think that he will get that contract if he pitches just like he has the last two seasons? Edited April 3, 2011 by Elgin Slim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jphat007 Posted April 3, 2011 Share Posted April 3, 2011 Ah well, win a series on the road to open the season. That ain't bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted April 3, 2011 Share Posted April 3, 2011 QUOTE (fathom @ Apr 3, 2011 -> 02:05 PM) That triple play changed the whole momentum of this game. Yes a team that has scored 23 runs in two days needs to be bunting in the 4th inning to get the bat into Omar Vizquel and Juan Pierre's hands to drive in the runs over Alexi. That is assine thinking every time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hometeamfan Posted April 3, 2011 Share Posted April 3, 2011 QUOTE (Harry Chappas @ Apr 3, 2011 -> 01:03 PM) Because he is a six inning pitcher. Today is the prime example of why he is not an ace. He is a really good pitcher but not worth a contract of that magnitude. 23 runs in two days....then Danks gets the shaft....again. He's the Sox ace!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted April 3, 2011 Share Posted April 3, 2011 QUOTE (Elgin Slim @ Apr 3, 2011 -> 03:06 PM) Do you think that he will get that contract if he pitches just like he has the last two seasons? Absolutely. 215 innings in the AL with an ERA regularly under 4, for a guy who will be hitting the FA market before he turns 28, and who happens to throw from the LH side, with no real injury history? If he takes another step somehow, then you go from talking 7/$120 to talking 7/$150. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted April 3, 2011 Share Posted April 3, 2011 QUOTE (jphat007 @ Apr 3, 2011 -> 07:06 PM) Ah well, win a series on the road to open the season. That ain't bad. Agreed, I liked how almost all of our hitters looked this series. Dunn's presence in the lineup is great. Gotta get the bullpen stuff under control though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted April 3, 2011 Share Posted April 3, 2011 Ohman again? Why not Thorton? There is an off day tomorrow correct? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted April 3, 2011 Share Posted April 3, 2011 QUOTE (Harry Chappas @ Apr 3, 2011 -> 03:08 PM) Ohman again? Why not Thorton? There is an off day tomorrow correct? Thornton is in the closer's spot now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted April 3, 2011 Share Posted April 3, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Apr 3, 2011 -> 02:08 PM) Thornton is in the closer's spot now. Sure and Tuesday it will be a week since he last pitched. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcgrad70 Posted April 3, 2011 Share Posted April 3, 2011 QUOTE (Harry Chappas @ Apr 3, 2011 -> 12:59 PM) He is a f***ing LOOGY that is it. Guillen is trying to make him something he is not. This is Randy Williams all over again. Every year sox management has to show the world how smart they are by claiming these frogs with the intent of transforming them into princes. Frankly, this game was over when Alexei bunted into that triple play. Alexei never has been nor will he ever be a good bunter - his heart is clearly not in it yet Guillen continues to force the issue. And watch for the return of the Sunday or the opportunity to sweep but I'll take 2 out of 3 mentality lineup. He'll use today as justification. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted April 3, 2011 Share Posted April 3, 2011 QUOTE (Harry Chappas @ Apr 3, 2011 -> 03:09 PM) Sure and Tuesday it will be a week since he last pitched. It's a 1 run game though. A "Closer" could still easily wind up useful. If you're going to designate a "Closer", you may as well be stubborn about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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