maggsmaggs 58 Posted July 20, 2011 (edited) QUOTE (Stan Bahnsen @ Jul 20, 2011 -> 03:19 PM) Bad overall, relative to payroll, and this isn't adjusted for how good a hitters park we have even, is it? No adjustment, and you are exactly right. We have basically hit like a mid-market baseball club payroll with a major-market payroll. Edited July 20, 2011 by maggsmaggs Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Steve9347 243 Posted July 20, 2011 QUOTE (bucket-of-suck @ Jul 20, 2011 -> 11:40 AM) Anybody else ready to tip your cap to Bruce Chen again? HYPERBOLE HOW DARE YOU SAY SUCH THINGS Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dick Allen 5,850 Posted July 20, 2011 (edited) QUOTE (maggsmaggs @ Jul 20, 2011 -> 03:15 PM) Walker has been the Sox hitting coach since 2003, and since then, here are the White Sox rankings in runs scored in the AL: 2003: 791 runs (8th in the AL) 2004: 865 (3rd in the AL) 2005: 741 (9th in the AL) 2006: 868 (4rd in the AL) 2007: 693 (14th and dead last in the AL) 2008: 811 (5th in the AL) 2009: 724 (12th in the AL) 2010: 752 (7th in the AL) 2011: 389 (10th in the AL, on pace for 650 runs) It started out well, but has been bad from 2007 on (with 2008 a good year). Line ups have something to do with it. BTW, the great Rudy Jaramillo, the guy who would make every White Sox hitter a HOFer has the Cubs 9th in the NL in runs. Don Cooper can do no wrong and here's where the pitchers ERA ranked since 2004 when Walker had his first full season as the hitting coach. 12th-2004 2nd-2005 10th-2006 12th-2007 6th-2008 2nd-2009 8th-2010 6th-2011 Edited July 20, 2011 by Dick Allen Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LittleHurt05 324 Posted July 20, 2011 QUOTE (maggsmaggs @ Jul 20, 2011 -> 04:37 PM) No adjustment, and you are exactly right. We have basically hit like a mid-market baseball club payroll with a major-market payroll. What percentage of that major market payroll was spent on hitting as compared to pitching? Always seemed like the Sox had more money invested in arms instead of bats. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
caulfield12 4,461 Posted July 21, 2011 But you also have to adjust for those pitching ratings being, from first glance. pedestrian. Same thing with the hitting...playing half the games at USCF. If you do the park-adjusted ratings (baseball-reference), you'll come up with a much different set of comparisons. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dick Allen 5,850 Posted July 21, 2011 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 20, 2011 -> 08:16 PM) But you also have to adjust for those pitching ratings being, from first glance. pedestrian. Same thing with the hitting...playing half the games at USCF. If you do the park-adjusted ratings (baseball-reference), you'll come up with a much different set of comparisons. Not really. Sox pitchers have pitched better at home than on the road. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fathom 12,504 Posted July 21, 2011 This offense is freaking awful. Half the starting lineup doesn't even hit the ball hard enough to score someone from first on a single because outfielders can play so many of our guys so shallow. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DonkeyKongerko 2 Posted July 21, 2011 QUOTE (maggsmaggs @ Jul 20, 2011 -> 01:15 PM) Walker has been the Sox hitting coach since 2003, and since then, here are the White Sox rankings in runs scored in the AL: 2003: 791 runs (8th in the AL) 2004: 865 (3rd in the AL) 2005: 741 (9th in the AL) 2006: 868 (4rd in the AL) 2007: 693 (14th and dead last in the AL) 2008: 811 (5th in the AL) 2009: 724 (12th in the AL) 2010: 752 (7th in the AL) 2011: 389 (10th in the AL, on pace for 650 runs) It started out well, but has been bad from 2007 on (with 2008 a good year). Well I was curious about park adjustments so here you go: wRC+ & AL rank from FanGraphs 2003 - 101 6th 2004 - 100 8th 2005 - 94 10th 2006 - 102 4th 2007 - 85 13th 2008 - 101 7th 2009 - 90 12th 2010 - 100 8th 2011 - 90 11th 2008 offense was very average really Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
clyons 0 Posted July 21, 2011 Sometimes you just have to tip your cap to Bruce f***ing Chen. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LittleHurt05 324 Posted July 21, 2011 QUOTE (PlaySumFnJurny @ Jul 21, 2011 -> 07:05 AM) Sometimes you just have to tip your cap to Bruce f***ing Chen. Take away his two starts vs the White Sox and he still somehow has an ERA of 3.77 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Balta1701 5,446 Posted July 21, 2011 QUOTE (PlaySumFnJurny @ Jul 21, 2011 -> 08:05 AM) Sometimes you just have to tip your cap to Bruce f***ing Chen. Duffman the day before, I'll say he was solid. Bruce Chen? Yeesh Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
southsider2k5 12,378 Posted July 21, 2011 QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Jul 21, 2011 -> 07:26 AM) Take away his two starts vs the White Sox and he still somehow has an ERA of 3.77 When did he turn into Jaime Moyer? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BigEdWalsh 2 Posted July 22, 2011 Fire Walker? I dunno, what does Don Cooper think? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BigEdWalsh 2 Posted August 3, 2011 QUOTE (PlaySumFnJurny @ Jul 21, 2011 -> 05:05 AM) Sometimes you just have to tip your cap to Bruce f***ing Chen. And Phil Hughes. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
whitesoxfan101 0 Posted August 3, 2011 I'm honestly convinced that even if Ozzie AND Kenny are fired after this season, Greg Walker will somehow be our hitting coach in 2012. He's bulletproof! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wanne 156 Posted August 3, 2011 QUOTE (whitesoxfan101 @ Aug 2, 2011 -> 10:54 PM) I'm honestly convinced that even if Ozzie AND Kenny are fired after this season, Greg Walker will somehow be our hitting coach in 2012. He's bulletproof! If this front office (at least the coaching staff) isn't completely overhauled I'll probably get thrown out of Camelback Ranch at least 3 times this spring. I'll be the biggest asshole out there...guaranteed! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JPN366 0 Posted August 3, 2011 QUOTE (Wanne @ Aug 3, 2011 -> 12:54 AM) If this front office (at least the coaching staff) isn't completely overhauled I'll probably get thrown out of Camelback Ranch at least 3 times this spring. I'll be the biggest asshole out there...guaranteed! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BigEdWalsh 2 Posted August 3, 2011 QUOTE (Wanne @ Aug 2, 2011 -> 10:54 PM) If this front office (at least the coaching staff) isn't completely overhauled I'll probably get thrown out of Camelback Ranch at least 3 times this spring. I'll be the biggest asshole out there...guaranteed! I'm planning to be there too and I'd give you a run for your money. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Paulie4Pres 508 Posted August 19, 2011 With how many hitters get on the Sox roster, and regress, how does this clown still have a job? Unreal. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
greg775 1,798 Posted August 19, 2011 QUOTE (Wanne @ Aug 3, 2011 -> 06:54 AM) If this front office (at least the coaching staff) isn't completely overhauled I'll probably get thrown out of Camelback Ranch at least 3 times this spring. I'll be the biggest asshole out there...guaranteed! Can they eject you for heckling Walker n Oz? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flavum 1,660 Posted August 19, 2011 Ranger talking about Beckham having to work on his swing in the offseason....can't do it now. So that's Dunn, Rios, and Beckham that have offseason projects. This team is a joke from top to bottom. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kitekrazy 389 Posted August 19, 2011 QUOTE (Wanne @ Aug 3, 2011 -> 12:54 AM) If this front office (at least the coaching staff) isn't completely overhauled I'll probably get thrown out of Camelback Ranch at least 3 times this spring. I'll be the biggest asshole out there...guaranteed! I would have to question why you would go there since the tickets are over priced there as well. Best to catch them on the road. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kitekrazy 389 Posted August 19, 2011 QUOTE (flavum @ Aug 18, 2011 -> 10:58 PM) Ranger talking about Beckham having to work on his swing in the offseason....can't do it now. So that's Dunn, Rios, and Beckham that have offseason projects. This team is a joke from top to bottom. I'm calling bulls*** on the Ranger. Go take some batting practice in a cage for a few hours. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
