Steve9347 Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 QUOTE (ChrisLikesBaseball @ May 25, 2011 -> 09:09 AM) If a Donkey homers after midnight... does he turn into a pumpkin? Um... yes? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 Rios with a nice game and Ohman looked good as well. Pena is absolutly worthless. The Rangers were taking batting practice against him. Those were the situations Gray held his own in. The Sox are lucky nobody was killed, literally, that inning. Hawk's head would have exploded if Hamilton scored on that good awful call at third in the 8th. That was NBA bad. Sergio looked really good, Thorton and Sale.........throw strikes Dunn worked over Arthur for a walk Gordon..........looked bad. The leadoff man for the Rangers was walked in the 5th, 6th, 7th & 8th I believe which made it frustrating to watch at 1:00 in the morning. Sergio with one ofthe more odd tag plays in teh 9th but it was a very easy inning for him compared to the previous 5. The man is getting it done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 getting a win after blowing a save or hold, or hell any lead, is kind of b.s. imho Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 I don't know what to make of Tony Pena. He threw two nice innings last week but then turns around and gives up runs in less than an inning and we almost blow this game with Texas. Gray was the most effective of the two, but gets sent down and we lose him. Pena is the veteran and I am not sure has it what it takes anymore to be consistent from game to game as far as shutting down the opponent. Maybe as the season goes along he will find his groove becasue he can still throw 94-95 MPH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 QUOTE (Tex @ May 25, 2011 -> 02:54 PM) getting a win after blowing a save or hold, or hell any lead, is kind of b.s. imho Agree Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 Wake up, wake up But this isn't the first of the month... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bighurt52235 Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 The thing about Tony Pena being a "veteran", is that he is only as such because he's been in our pen a couple years, and also was not good with Arizona. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiddleCoastBias Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ May 25, 2011 -> 09:22 AM) I thought there was no way this was getting played either. Glad to see the W for sure. I thought the same. Did the grounds crew go around and scoop up all of the baseball-sized hail? Or does it melt quickly? See the images of the field covered in 'baseballs' game me the impression that this was getting called. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 I did not stay up to watch this game, but Tony Peña needs to be designated for assignment. He brings nothing to this team, he subtracts. We have a long road ahead of us and we can't afford to let this guy cost us any games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ May 25, 2011 -> 10:38 AM) I did not stay up to watch this game, but Tony Peña needs to be designated for assignment. He brings nothing to this team, he subtracts. We have a long road ahead of us and we can't afford to let this guy cost us any games. The only things keeping him around is his ability to throw hard and Kenny Williams' pride. We should have DFA'd him instead of Gray. We might still have D.J. Carrasco if it wasn't for Pena. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ May 25, 2011 -> 10:38 AM) I did not stay up to watch this game, but Tony Peña needs to be designated for assignment. He brings nothing to this team, he subtracts. We have a long road ahead of us and we can't afford to let this guy cost us any games. I used to not care as much because he's the last guy in the bullpen, and usually in mop-up situations. However, in games like last night and potential extra innings games, he becomes important too. If you have to throw him in there and he automatically gives up a run or two, that's gonna hurt your chances and every game matters when you are 9 games back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILMOU Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ May 25, 2011 -> 09:38 AM) I did not stay up to watch this game, but Tony Peña needs to be designated for assignment. He brings nothing to this team, he subtracts. We have a long road ahead of us and we can't afford to let this guy cost us any games. This. Infante, or somebody, needs to be ready soon. How long will it be before we go back to 5 starters, putting one of the six in the pen? Will it be the beginning of June that was semi-promised? Not too sure, but at that time, Pena's role will be really redundant and unnecessary. Hopefully, that will mark the end of TPain's reign of suck on the Southside. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 QUOTE (Stan Bahnsen @ May 25, 2011 -> 11:46 AM) This. Infante, or somebody, needs to be ready soon. How long will it be before we go back to 5 starters, putting one of the six in the pen? Will it be the beginning of June that was semi-promised? Not too sure, but at that time, Pena's role will be really redundant and unnecessary. Hopefully, that will mark the end of TPain's reign of suck on the Southside. The Problem is...the 2 guys who have pitched themselves into a bullpen stint are Jackson and Danks, not the guy you want to pitch himself there (Humber). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ross Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 My first post here. Good win, I stayed up to see the end of it, nice to see Dunn hit that bomb. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 QUOTE (IowanSoxFan @ May 25, 2011 -> 11:19 AM) My first post here. Good win, I stayed up to see the end of it, nice to see Dunn hit that bomb. Welcome! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILMOU Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ May 25, 2011 -> 09:59 AM) The Problem is...the 2 guys who have pitched themselves into a bullpen stint are Jackson and Danks, not the guy you want to pitch himself there (Humber). No doubt, but I wouldn't mind Edwin there, if he can't go deep into games consistently. They have an interesting choice upcoming. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 QUOTE (IowanSoxFan @ May 25, 2011 -> 11:19 AM) My first post here. Good win, I stayed up to see the end of it, nice to see Dunn hit that bomb. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 QUOTE (IowanSoxFan @ May 25, 2011 -> 11:19 AM) My first post here. Good win, I stayed up to see the end of it, nice to see Dunn hit that bomb. An Iowa poster? That didn't go too well last time we had that happen here... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 QUOTE (ptatc @ May 25, 2011 -> 09:09 AM) that's true. Winning means nothing in baseball. The teams with the best OPS, OBP, strikeouts and UZR make the playoffs. Not actual wins. Wins for pitchers. Tony Pena should not have won that game, whatever that really means. Carlos Quentin should get the win for last night's game. Honestly, if you want to keep track of wins of some type, what they should start doing is giving wins and losses out to all players based on WPA, both positive and negative. Those with the largest WPA for the winning team will be given a win and those with the largest negative WPA for the losing team will be credited with the loss. You keep track of every time a player has a WPA added of 0.25 and 0.5. It'd be awesome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 QUOTE (chw42 @ May 25, 2011 -> 10:42 AM) The only things keeping him around is his ability to throw hard and Kenny Williams' pride. We should have DFA'd him instead of Gray. We might still have D.J. Carrasco if it wasn't for Pena. I'm confident that it's all this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ May 25, 2011 -> 10:59 AM) The Problem is...the 2 guys who have pitched themselves into a bullpen stint are Jackson and Danks, not the guy you want to pitch himself there (Humber). I certainly don't think Danks has pitched himself into the bullpen. I find that quite laughable, to be honest. What's the problem with putting Jackson in the bullpen? He's hurting us the most as a starter and they cannot get rid of his contract (they certainly won't drop him from the team). If they can get something for him, they probably should. Otherwise, I think he can actually work out decently in the bullpen. He's got the stuff to just let loose for an inning or two. He certainly couldn't be much worse than Peña. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ May 25, 2011 -> 02:23 PM) I certainly don't think Danks has pitched himself into the bullpen. I find that quite laughable, to be honest. What's the problem with putting Jackson in the bullpen? He's hurting us the most as a starter and they cannot get rid of his contract (they certainly won't drop him from the team). If they can get something for him, they probably should. Otherwise, I think he can actually work out decently in the bullpen. He's got the stuff to just let loose for an inning or two. He certainly couldn't be much worse than Peña. The problem with putting Jackson in the bullpen is having someone actually make the decision to put Jackson in the bullpen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonard Zelig Posted May 25, 2011 Author Share Posted May 25, 2011 QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ May 25, 2011 -> 01:23 PM) I certainly don't think Danks has pitched himself into the bullpen. I find that quite laughable, to be honest. What's the problem with putting Jackson in the bullpen? He's hurting us the most as a starter and they cannot get rid of his contract (they certainly won't drop him from the team). If they can get something for him, they probably should. Otherwise, I think he can actually work out decently in the bullpen. He's got the stuff to just let loose for an inning or two. He certainly couldn't be much worse than Peña. Why do you think he has pitched worse than Danks? Their numbers are very similar except for the records. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ May 25, 2011 -> 01:24 PM) The problem with putting Jackson in the bullpen is having someone actually make the decision to put Jackson in the bullpen. Oh yes lol, I completely agree. If Williams refuses to DFA Peña due to pride (yes, just my opinion), there's no way he's going to allow Jackson to be sent to the bullpen. It'll be Humber. As undeserved and retarded as it'd be, it'll be Humber. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 QUOTE (Leonard Zelig @ May 25, 2011 -> 01:27 PM) Why do you think he has pitched worse than Danks? Their numbers are very similar except for the records. Jackson will have a great game and then a game where the team has no chance. It sort of evens out to make the overall numbers look pretty decent (Javier Vazquez syndrome). Look at Kalapse's post in the Catch-All regarding Danks and it'll explain what he's done in greater detail. Although I'm sure you already knew the answer to this. You just seem to pop up with random comments to my posts for which you already know the answer/response. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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