OilCan Posted August 13, 2011 Share Posted August 13, 2011 Just listened to Baseball America's podcast regarding unsigned draft picks for every team, and regarding the White Sox, they are convinced that Gardeck will go to college, as well as O'Shea (already mentioned in this thread). They did not mention anyone else than the two remaining unsigned in the top 10 because per their analysis, it would be "not like the White Sox" to spend on the draft. They also mention that JUCO guys are the toughest to figure out, and discuss briefly the lameness regarding MLB's "slot" payouts where the ballplayer is drafted. So.....IMHO the Sox are done signing any more draft picks, unless some late miracle happens for the remaining unsignees. If you want to listen to the podcast, go here and select the first one for 53 minutes. They start talking about the White Sox around the 24:30 mark. And they only discuss the White Sox for only two minutes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danman31 Posted August 13, 2011 Share Posted August 13, 2011 From what Laumann said in the conference call a couple weeks ago he sounded pretty sure that they weren't going to sign O'Shea or Gardeck. I already put them as gone in my head. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Springfield Soxfan Posted August 14, 2011 Share Posted August 14, 2011 I know we are all hanging on that there will be a last minute signing, but it is just not going to happen, not KW's style. Remember the last two years we waited and waited hoping Morgado and Grimes got signed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted August 15, 2011 Author Share Posted August 15, 2011 pgammo Peter Gammons Clubs:better sign, slotting dead ahead. Advisors:MLBPA won't accept any cap, 2012 a bad draft, and players will be taken higher next June. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted August 15, 2011 Author Share Posted August 15, 2011 Buster_ESPN Buster Olney About the draft picks: Remember, next year could be a negotiated slotting system, so leverage for top picks may be gone in next year's draft Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted August 15, 2011 Share Posted August 15, 2011 Naturally, Gammons is the one that gets it. There's no way the MLBPA allows for a hard slotting system, and Bud will cave. I think it's about time Bud Selig retires. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted August 15, 2011 Share Posted August 15, 2011 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Aug 15, 2011 -> 09:26 AM) Naturally, Gammons is the one that gets it. There's no way the MLBPA allows for a hard slotting system, and Bud will cave. I think it's about time Bud Selig retires. Why not? Just like in the NFL...the MLBPA doesn't represent people who are yet to be drafted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted August 15, 2011 Author Share Posted August 15, 2011 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Aug 15, 2011 -> 08:26 AM) Naturally, Gammons is the one that gets it. There's no way the MLBPA allows for a hard slotting system, and Bud will cave. I think it's about time Bud Selig retires. Given the choice between say HGH testing and hard draft slotting, which one do you think the MAJOR LEAGUE players association is going to take? There is always give and take here and there is no way they give up something big at the major league level, if they can give it up at the amateur/minor league level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted August 15, 2011 Author Share Posted August 15, 2011 SI_JonHeyman Jon Heyman pressure up on mlb owners to avoid "dumb'' signings today; they meet in cooperstown tom., could face wrath of bud in person Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxfest Posted August 15, 2011 Share Posted August 15, 2011 (edited) QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 15, 2011 -> 08:55 AM) Why not? Just like in the NFL...the MLBPA doesn't represent people who are yet to be drafted. I agree why would they care about people not yet in the union. I do see why the union has any say so at all quite frankly. Edited August 15, 2011 by Soxfest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtySox Posted August 15, 2011 Share Posted August 15, 2011 The Sox plan to sign their 29th round pick, outfielder Dustin Hayes of Langley, BC, before Monday's midnight deadline. Hayes, a 6-foot-2, 180-pounder, is considered an exceptional athlete with a strong arm. He played in the same amateur league in Canada as future major league players Justin Morneau, Jeff Francis and Brett Lawrie. As of Monday morning, the highest Sox draft pick who remains unsigned is former Crystal Lake South pitcher Ian Gardeck of Angelina College in Texas. Gardeck, an eighth round pick, signed a letter-of-intent with Alabama. Cal catcher Chadd Krist, a 13th round selection, also remains unsigned. http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseb...0,3076235.story Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted August 15, 2011 Author Share Posted August 15, 2011 QUOTE (DirtySox @ Aug 15, 2011 -> 11:29 AM) http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseb...0,3076235.story Does that mean we signed the 10th round pick O'Shea? Anyone know? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzie Ball Posted August 15, 2011 Share Posted August 15, 2011 Hayes is signed according to BA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted August 15, 2011 Share Posted August 15, 2011 So are the Sox going to end up spending less in this draft than anyone else? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted August 15, 2011 Share Posted August 15, 2011 QUOTE (fathom @ Aug 15, 2011 -> 03:59 PM) So are the Sox going to end up spending less in this draft than anyone else? Anyone else not have a first round pick? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted August 15, 2011 Share Posted August 15, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 15, 2011 -> 08:21 PM) Anyone else not have a first round pick? Phillies Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted August 15, 2011 Share Posted August 15, 2011 QUOTE (fathom @ Aug 15, 2011 -> 04:30 PM) Phillies Then they're the only ones who will be remotely close, but they probably got an early 2nd and a high sandwich for Werth I'd assume, that will push them higher than us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtySox Posted August 15, 2011 Share Posted August 15, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 15, 2011 -> 03:21 PM) Anyone else not have a first round pick? It's a shame that the organization seemingly isn't using that 1st round savings on some tougher signs, IE Gardeck, O'Shea, and many of the latter HS picks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted August 15, 2011 Share Posted August 15, 2011 (edited) QUOTE (DirtySox @ Aug 15, 2011 -> 11:18 PM) It's a shame that the organization seemingly isn't using that 1st round savings on some tougher signs, IE Gardeck, O'Shea, and many of the latter HS picks. Yep, it's pathetic...for me, this is the low point for our farm system. Mediocre draft (on initial view) and no starting pitching whatsoever in the farm system. Edited August 15, 2011 by fathom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxfest Posted August 15, 2011 Share Posted August 15, 2011 QUOTE (DirtySox @ Aug 15, 2011 -> 05:18 PM) It's a shame that the organization seemingly isn't using that 1st round savings on some tougher signs, IE Gardeck, O'Shea, and many of the latter HS picks. That is White Sox 101 on player development and it is horrid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenny Hates Prospects Posted August 15, 2011 Share Posted August 15, 2011 If there's not going to be a strict slotting system then there needs to at least be a luxury tax of some sort imposed on teams who spend, spend, spend on amateur players both in the Rule-4 and internationally. I don't know how such a system would work, but a team like the Red Sox should be forced to play by the same rules. If there is no max slot per round or whatever, there should at least be a max total budget allowed for all the amateur signings combined, and the system should go based on record. For example, you finish 25-30th in the league the previous season and you get to spend up to the max, but if you finish with a top-5 record in baseball then you get the tiniest budget possible. And any team that goes over pays dollar-for-dollar to the rest of the league. Or maybe do something similar with picks instead of money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PolishPrince34 Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 When is Kenny Williams going to change his philosophy that it's smarter to develop your own players financially. Dunn, Rios, Teahen, Pierre, Peavy, Pena, etc. are examples wasting away money through trades, free agents, and waiver pick ups. Why not put $5-8 million towards the draft and international signings it will save you ten's of millions of dollars in the long run. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winninguglyin83 Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 QUOTE (PolishPrince34 @ Aug 16, 2011 -> 01:40 AM) When is Kenny Williams going to change his philosophy that it's smarter to develop your own players financially. Dunn, Rios, Teahen, Pierre, Peavy, Pena, etc. are examples wasting away money through trades, free agents, and waiver pick ups. Why not put $5-8 million towards the draft and international signings it will save you ten's of millions of dollars in the long run. amen. Although I think this is chairman Jerry, not Kenny Stanford. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattZakrowski Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 (edited) QUOTE (Kenny Hates Prospects @ Aug 15, 2011 -> 07:00 PM) If there's not going to be a strict slotting system then there needs to at least be a luxury tax of some sort imposed on teams who spend, spend, spend on amateur players both in the Rule-4 and internationally. I don't know how such a system would work, but a team like the Red Sox should be forced to play by the same rules. If there is no max slot per round or whatever, there should at least be a max total budget allowed for all the amateur signings combined, and the system should go based on record. For example, you finish 25-30th in the league the previous season and you get to spend up to the max, but if you finish with a top-5 record in baseball then you get the tiniest budget possible. And any team that goes over pays dollar-for-dollar to the rest of the league. Or maybe do something similar with picks instead of money. Then how would teams like the Pirates and Royals ever compete? They need to gamble big on the draft. Also, you'll lose even more 2 sport guys to the other sports. Edited August 16, 2011 by MattZakrowski Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 (edited) Wow, Nats sign Purke! It makes me sad tonight to see all these teams spending money on these tough signs. Edited August 16, 2011 by fathom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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