Rowand44 Posted October 6, 2011 Share Posted October 6, 2011 QUOTE (bmags @ Oct 6, 2011 -> 04:45 PM) WHERE IS THIS FRANK THOMAS TALK COMING FROM I don't know but my buddy who has a decent source just told me that Frank will be the hitting coach, tifwiw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxfest Posted October 6, 2011 Share Posted October 6, 2011 QUOTE (bmags @ Oct 6, 2011 -> 04:45 PM) WHERE IS THIS FRANK THOMAS TALK COMING FROM I second that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted October 6, 2011 Share Posted October 6, 2011 Id find the Thomas part really shocking, I dont really see him fitting with the Robin mold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHITESOXRANDY Posted October 6, 2011 Share Posted October 6, 2011 I don't figure that move out all. I wish KW would get fired. Â Â This makes you want KW fired ? But, not all the ridiculous player trades and signings? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted October 6, 2011 Share Posted October 6, 2011 Well Lillibridge is excited so it's a good hire! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted October 6, 2011 Share Posted October 6, 2011 So instead of picking from a group of candidates that either managed playoff teams or were heavily involved in playoff caliber organizations, and had deep insight into current rosters across the league, we picked the guy that was last seen manicuring his lawn? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jphat007 Posted October 6, 2011 Share Posted October 6, 2011 QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Oct 6, 2011 -> 04:45 PM) We should've hired Jose Valentin, Dan Pasqua, Jeff Abbott, Chris Widger, or Greg Norton then. I'm sure they've all had as much coaching experience as Ventura while also having played the game. Â And they all have just as good of a chance to be a good manager as Dave Martinez or Sandy Alomar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Princess Dye Posted October 6, 2011 Share Posted October 6, 2011 (edited) No one here has a legit reason to be mad. Â You're mad because it was a bad year, and because you wanted change; instead you got something familiar. Davey and Sandy would have been change, but you can't honestly draw a causal relationship between those two guys and their teams' recent success. They're a very minor part. Â As far as wanting a 'stats-mentality' you need that turnaround in your front office. In the dugout is another matter. Piniella took heat for choosing swing away over bunt, and it's not like he was some saber guy. You can be a good manager and just do smart things in the moment. The FO is the place where you should aim for sweeping, intelligent reforms Edited October 6, 2011 by Princess Dye Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted October 6, 2011 Share Posted October 6, 2011 Wait, what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted October 6, 2011 Share Posted October 6, 2011 QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Oct 6, 2011 -> 03:47 PM) So instead of picking from a group of candidates that either managed playoff teams or were heavily involved in playoff caliber organizations, and had deep insight into current rosters across the league, we picked the guy that was last seen manicuring his lawn? And for all we know he's the best manager of the bunch, we just don't know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenny Hates Prospects Posted October 6, 2011 Share Posted October 6, 2011 QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Oct 6, 2011 -> 04:38 PM) Um Steve Stone versus Robin? Robin for $1000 Alex?  KHP,  When baseball managers start calling offensive and defensive plays, is the day I start to worry about a managers experience. For Ventura's entire baseball career he has been doing the same things a manager does, advanced scouting, looking at match ups, etc.  I just dont see why people are freaking out. People are freaking out because they're afraid Robin might bunt in the wrong situation, pull a pitcher too late, etc. Well if those were the main problems we had last year then we wouldn't have finished where we did. And we ALL know that Davey Martinez would have never made a bad move, or at least if he did, he wouldn't get criticized much at all over the course of a season because he's so smart and Maddon and Rays way and fap fap *splurt*....  ATM the players don't seem to give a s*** and the last manager was a distraction that made things even worse. Players that needed to play weren't even put in the lineup. Robin is as good a bet as anyone to remedy those areas, and if he does that, I really don't care if he's a poor in-game manager at first because we'll still end up being a much better team than we've been. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted October 6, 2011 Share Posted October 6, 2011 QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Oct 6, 2011 -> 04:34 PM) Milkman, How do I know hes legit?  Id say its because Ive read and watched a few things about Robin Ventura in my day.  (edit)  Really, because I havent met/watched/seen Ozzie versus Robin?  A lot of you guys are going to look silly for yelling about Robin without even letting him manage a game.  And if we're right, we were just a bunch of negative jerks who would have been against any move no matter what. When you're wrong, you get to just say that I was being a hopeful fan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoSox05 Posted October 6, 2011 Share Posted October 6, 2011 (edited) What if no one hires Dave Martinez. What if he shows up to all the interviews drunk. We don't know. Edited October 6, 2011 by GoSox05 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted October 6, 2011 Share Posted October 6, 2011 I'd love to know what Ventura's philosophy is with regards to small ball, etc. I'm sure KW has talked to him about this, and they'd be on the same page. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted October 6, 2011 Share Posted October 6, 2011 QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Oct 6, 2011 -> 02:45 PM) We should've hired Jose Valentin, Dan Pasqua, Jeff Abbott, Chris Widger, or Greg Norton then. I'm sure they've all had as much coaching experience as Ventura while also having played the game. Dude played 16 seasons in the league. Outside of Alomar having a little bit of experience, he was basically as green as Ventura. Only difference, the media was selling Alomar as a candidate for a while. The reality is, Alomar's limited exposure with Cleveland isn't going to by far and away make him more ready to be a manager than Ventura. Â Personally I always thought Alomar would make a great manager and would have loved to have him. But based upon ex players comments, it sounds like Ventura has a lot of those same qualities that I liked about Alomar and he has 16 years of experience in major league clubhouses being a leader and "winner". And he's seen different types of clubhouses, whether it was the White Sox clubhouse in the 90's or the Mets for a couple years or even the Yankees clubhouse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrle>Wood Posted October 6, 2011 Share Posted October 6, 2011 The Thomas stuff isn't coming from anywhere other than that he publicly threw his name in for the position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted October 6, 2011 Share Posted October 6, 2011 (edited) QUOTE (GoSox05 @ Oct 6, 2011 -> 09:49 PM) What if no one hires Dave Martinez. What if he shows up to all the interviews drunk. We don't know. Â What if he boned Kenny's wife back in the 90s? Sarcasm of course, but Martinez is a little over-hyped to me. Edited October 6, 2011 by fathom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted October 6, 2011 Share Posted October 6, 2011 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Oct 6, 2011 -> 04:35 PM) I hope the Sox hire an experienced bench coach. However, I guess Cooper brings some solid experience as well. Or is Harold the bench coach now? Â They absolutely have to hire an experienced bench coach at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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GoSox05 Posted October 6, 2011 Share Posted October 6, 2011 QUOTE (fathom @ Oct 6, 2011 -> 04:50 PM) What if he boned Kenny's wife back in the 90s? Â Right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JorgeFabregas Posted October 6, 2011 Share Posted October 6, 2011 QUOTE (flavum @ Oct 6, 2011 -> 03:48 PM) This is like something a fan would think up. Â I'll reserve judgement, but I'm shocked by this. Yes. Â Wtf, wtf, wtf. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted October 6, 2011 Share Posted October 6, 2011 QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Oct 6, 2011 -> 04:45 PM) We should've hired Jose Valentin, Dan Pasqua, Jeff Abbott, Chris Widger, or Greg Norton then. I'm sure they've all had as much coaching experience as Ventura while also having played the game. Â At least he knows where to get mail order drugs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted October 6, 2011 Share Posted October 6, 2011 I hope Robin can get through to Beckham about the mental side of the game. Â They need to give Beckham one more year, and having a manager that has gone through a similar experience may pay off for Gordon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted October 6, 2011 Share Posted October 6, 2011 Wouldn't that be ironic if Ventura lives on a boat in Lake Michigan during his tenure as White Sox manager. He made more money in his pro career than Ozzie and was a significantly better player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bjm676 Posted October 6, 2011 Share Posted October 6, 2011 I'm ambivalent on this. But there are reasons why he is my all-time favorite player. Let's give him a shot. Let's hope he has a strong coaching staff behind him, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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