Balta1701 Posted October 7, 2011 Share Posted October 7, 2011 Great, so managing is putting his feet in the water for the real job. And last year was Adam Dunn putting his feet in the water for dh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted October 7, 2011 Share Posted October 7, 2011 Dont worry Slav, its just the regular here, much ado about nothing. Anyone with google can find names of managers who had no experience (Joe Torrie) and managers with tons of experience that arent good (Jerry Manuel). I also find it amusing that people are just assuming Ventura was cheaper than Martinez, when there is nothing to suggest thats true. Ventura made far more money in his career than Martinez, Ventura has turned down basically every coaching job offered to hm besides this one. If anything it probably cost more to get Ventura than Martinez. But hey lets just make things up and get angry because we are upset! ROAR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted October 7, 2011 Share Posted October 7, 2011 QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Oct 6, 2011 -> 09:07 PM) He was just one example. Alomar was also out there, and a few other guys. I'd have been less mad with JOey Cora. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted October 7, 2011 Share Posted October 7, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Oct 6, 2011 -> 08:07 PM) And last year was Adam Dunn putting his feet in the water for dh. Really? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted October 7, 2011 Share Posted October 7, 2011 One can only guess that KW had very little to do with this. The majority of our anger should be directed at Reinsdorf...if one is inclined to react immediately in that direction. Obviously JR is the one who convinced Robin to do this...conversations had been going back and forth for a number of years about him taking a more active role in the organization. Obviously, most believed he'd have to "put in his time" before he would become manager. But clearly he works well enough with Bell and KW, as well. Heck, it's not like you've ever heard of anyone not getting along with the guy, he's not a polarizing personality like Fisk or Black Jack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted October 7, 2011 Share Posted October 7, 2011 Wow really Joey Cora? Because he learned from Ozzie? This is definitely bizzarro world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted October 7, 2011 Share Posted October 7, 2011 QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Oct 6, 2011 -> 09:08 PM) Really? Totally fair. He can't even say this is the job he dreamed about or the standard platitudes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted October 7, 2011 Share Posted October 7, 2011 QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Oct 6, 2011 -> 09:09 PM) Wow really Joey Cora? Because he learned from Ozzie? This is definitely bizzarro world. At least he's indicated that he actually wants to be a manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted October 7, 2011 Share Posted October 7, 2011 QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Oct 6, 2011 -> 08:07 PM) Dont worry Slav, its just the regular here, much ado about nothing. Anyone with google can find names of managers who had no experience (Joe Torrie) and managers with tons of experience that arent good (Jerry Manuel). I also find it amusing that people are just assuming Ventura was cheaper than Martinez, when there is nothing to suggest thats true. Ventura made far more money in his career than Martinez, Ventura has turned down basically every coaching job offered to hm besides this one. If anything it probably cost more to get Ventura than Martinez. But hey lets just make things up and get angry because we are upset! ROAR Oh, condescension. That's new. So if it's so easy, and you're the one making claims that this happens all the time, why don't you Google these managers with absolutely no experience for us? Please, and try to make them in the recent history of baseball. You came up with Joe Torre (35 years ago) and Connie Mack (117 years ago) so far. Let's hear the rest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted October 7, 2011 Share Posted October 7, 2011 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Oct 6, 2011 -> 09:09 PM) One can only guess that KW had very little to do with this. The majority of our anger should be directed at Reinsdorf...if one is inclined to react immediately in that direction. Obviously JR is the one who convinced Robin to do this...conversations had been going back and forth for a number of years about him taking a more active role in the organization. Obviously, most believed he'd have to "put in his time" before he would become manager. But clearly he works well enough with Bell and KW, as well. Heck, it's not like you've ever heard of anyone not getting along with the guy, he's not a polarizing personality like Fisk or Black Jack. If he's not Kennys choice... f***ing resign! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted October 7, 2011 Share Posted October 7, 2011 No one has answered the most important question: do Ventura's kids have twitter accounts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted October 7, 2011 Share Posted October 7, 2011 Im pretty sure Ventura accepting a job that he doesnt need shows he wants to be a manager. He could have easily said no and over time hes consistently said he wanted to be involved with baseball again after his kids grew up. Maybe he just didnt want his kids to turn out to be like Oney? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted October 7, 2011 Share Posted October 7, 2011 QUOTE (fathom @ Oct 6, 2011 -> 09:12 PM) No one has answered the most important question: do Ventura's kids have twitter accounts? Are his kids old enough for that yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted October 7, 2011 Share Posted October 7, 2011 QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Oct 6, 2011 -> 09:12 PM) Im pretty sure Ventura accepting a job that he doesnt need shows he wants to be a manager. He could have easily said no and over time hes consistently said he wanted to be involved with baseball again after his kids grew up. Maybe he just didnt want his kids to turn out to be like Oney? And yet he's already talking about other jobs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted October 7, 2011 Share Posted October 7, 2011 Milkman, You dont pay me enough to do your research for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted October 7, 2011 Share Posted October 7, 2011 QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Oct 6, 2011 -> 08:11 PM) Oh, condescension. That's new. So if it's so easy, and you're the one making claims that this happens all the time, why don't you Google these managers with absolutely no experience for us? Please, and try to make them in the recent history of baseball. You came up with Joe Torre (35 years ago) and Connie Mack (117 years ago) so far. Let's hear the rest. Ted Turner, lol. Would have been on board with Omar Vizquel as the next manager (my "out of left field" pick) but it seems he's going with Guillen to Florida. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted October 7, 2011 Share Posted October 7, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Oct 7, 2011 -> 01:13 AM) And yet he's already talking about other jobs. What's this in reference to? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted October 7, 2011 Share Posted October 7, 2011 QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Oct 6, 2011 -> 08:13 PM) Milkman, You dont pay me enough to do your research for you. No no, don't put this on me and act like I'm the one avoiding it. You claimed that it's not uncommon for a manager to be hired with no experience whatsoever. I'd like you to come up with some examples in this era of baseball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted October 7, 2011 Share Posted October 7, 2011 I should note...I've added Jim beam to my celebration of robins hiring. Maybe he'll really earn that retired number 23. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted October 7, 2011 Share Posted October 7, 2011 QUOTE (fathom @ Oct 6, 2011 -> 08:12 PM) No one has answered the most important question: do Ventura's kids have twitter accounts? Question #2, which direction will Cowley take off in with Ventura? Or will he just mysteriously slink out of town like Mariotti... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted October 7, 2011 Share Posted October 7, 2011 Where did I use the word uncommon. You find that in one of my posts, Ill do the research for you or Ill quit posting in this forum, your choice. I stated that there have been coaches who had no managerial experience, and I provided examples. Misquoting me wont get you anywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted October 7, 2011 Share Posted October 7, 2011 I'm willing to give him a chance. Everyone here knows he's going to be the worst manager ever. But remember, a poll here showed that a majority of posters said they managed better than Oz, all Robin has to do is be as good as the average poster here and it's a major upgrade. http://www.soxtalk.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=81618 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted October 7, 2011 Share Posted October 7, 2011 QUOTE (fathom @ Oct 6, 2011 -> 08:14 PM) What's this in reference to? Maybe his quote about being "President" of the organization in the Doug Padilla article just posted? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted October 7, 2011 Share Posted October 7, 2011 QUOTE (fathom @ Oct 6, 2011 -> 09:14 PM) What's this in reference to? "I have no plans of being president of the team," he said. "This is just a step of getting back within the organization and whatever happens, happens. I'm willing to put my foot in the water and see what happens. I don't really have any thoughts on what the future is. I like to be able to do this within the White Sox organization." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxfest Posted October 7, 2011 Share Posted October 7, 2011 QUOTE (fathom @ Oct 6, 2011 -> 08:12 PM) No one has answered the most important question: do Ventura's kids have twitter accounts? Yes all 30 of them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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