southsider2k5 Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 Jon Heyman @JonHeymanCBS It's a shame braun's confidentiality was breached. Not blaming anyone. But test results are supposed to be secret til after appeal Ryan braun decision is expected today or tomorrow. he's on his way to ariz. and doesn't know outcome yet. has to report by sat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Feb 23, 2012 -> 09:58 AM) Jon Heyman @JonHeymanCBS It's a shame braun's confidentiality was breached. Not blaming anyone. But test results are supposed to be secret til after appeal Ryan braun decision is expected today or tomorrow. he's on his way to ariz. and doesn't know outcome yet. has to report by sat. I really think he'll be exonerated somehow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 QUOTE (iamshack @ Feb 23, 2012 -> 09:10 AM) I really think he'll be exonerated somehow. I sure as hell hope so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoSox05 Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 @Haudricourt Ryan Braun has won his appeal of a drug suspension and will not be suspended for 50 games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigruss Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 Really curious to hear the details of this. Right now it looks like another MLB coverup to save its image. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 QUOTE (bigruss22 @ Feb 23, 2012 -> 04:15 PM) Really curious to hear the details of this. Right now it looks like another MLB coverup to save its image. Sounds like it. MVP suspended for steroids sounds like a really really bad headline. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoSox05 Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 @Haudricourt: MLB has put out a statement saying it "vehemently disagrees" with arbitrator's decision on Braun. That would be Shyam Das. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 We need some deets of what happened here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 QUOTE (iamshack @ Dec 10, 2011 -> 08:55 PM) I believe Braun. I'll bet there is an explanation. There is no way this guy was using some kind of designer PED's. I'm sure it's some kind of stupid mistake. Ahem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 As the Brewers are my favorite non-Sox team to root for and I have a small man-crush on Braun (depsite the Affliction gear), I am happy that he was cleared. Plus, watching MLB make a fool of themselves regarding steroids again & again is pure comedy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 Apparently the test collector thought FedEx/Kinkos was closed on Saturday night, so he kept the sample in his fridge til Monday. Braun's people argued that this the sample could have been contaimanted or tampered with during this time and won the appeal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerbaho-WG Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 Braun, correctly, got off on a technicality (improper storage of a sample). However, it's still very clear that he was caught using a synthetic substance. He used PEDs, cheated, but was correctly exonerated here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G&T Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 QUOTE (iamshack @ Feb 23, 2012 -> 05:46 PM) Ahem. What? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G&T Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 (edited) What I don't understand it, is it enough to just break the chain of custody? Shouldn't there be some evidence that contamination was likely to occur? My problem is, even if it was sitting around, refrigerated or not, what could have happened that it could be contaminated with a banned substance? Or were they literally unable to introduce the sample into evidence because the COC was broken? Edited February 24, 2012 by G&T Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 Seeing on MLB Network some of the tweets from players around the league makes my stomach turn. #idiotathletesshouldnttweetjustshutthehellupandplay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justBLAZE Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 He was proven innocent because he wasn't 100% guilty. Still a juicer but like other said, correct decision was made. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 QUOTE (Cerbaho-WG @ Feb 23, 2012 -> 05:26 PM) Braun, correctly, got off on a technicality (improper storage of a sample). However, it's still very clear that he was caught using a synthetic substance. He used PEDs, cheated, but was correctly exonerated here. This is correct. If there is any banned substance in a sample you have to suspend the player. However, you MUST follow the protocol for testing the sample to prevent any tampering. I have no doubt he is guiluty based on previous information but he should not be suspended based on the idiot sample collector's screw up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted February 24, 2012 Share Posted February 24, 2012 Pathetic. Screw Braun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted February 24, 2012 Share Posted February 24, 2012 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Feb 23, 2012 -> 08:05 PM) Pathetic. Screw Braun. Screw MLB for not knowing/following standard accepted procedures. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxfest Posted February 24, 2012 Share Posted February 24, 2012 Fed Ex piss test 101! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted February 24, 2012 Share Posted February 24, 2012 (edited) Were these pee tests or blood tests? Pee tests being stored improperly could result in evaporation which could cause the entire sample to be much stronger. My guess is that MLB tries to keep it secret what happened, because otherwise every player will raise it as a defense. Edited February 24, 2012 by Soxbadger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerbaho-WG Posted February 24, 2012 Share Posted February 24, 2012 QUOTE (G&T @ Feb 23, 2012 -> 05:48 PM) What I don't understand it, is it enough to just break the chain of custody? Shouldn't there be some evidence that contamination was likely to occur? My problem is, even if it was sitting around, refrigerated or not, what could have happened that it could be contaminated with a banned substance? Or were they literally unable to introduce the sample into evidence because the COC was broken? Yes, it's enough. If any part of an agreement between two parties is breached, it can be a s***show like this. Braun's lawyers didn't argue tampering or that the test itself was wrong, rather that procedure (lawyers looooove procedure) wasn't correctly followed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted February 24, 2012 Share Posted February 24, 2012 How do you know what Braun's attorneys argued? I havent seen any link to Arbitration filings or transcripts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted February 24, 2012 Share Posted February 24, 2012 QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Feb 23, 2012 -> 08:12 PM) How do you know what Braun's attorneys argued? I havent seen any link to Arbitration filings or transcripts. http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/7608360/...game-suspension Braun didn't argue evidence of tampering and didn't dispute the science, but argued protocol had not been followed. A second source confirmed to ESPN investigative reporters Mark Fainaru-Wada and T.J. Quinn that Braun questioned the chain of custody and collection procedure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerbaho-WG Posted February 24, 2012 Share Posted February 24, 2012 (edited) "According to ESPN's Mark Fainaru-Wada and T.J. Quinn, Braun didn't appeal any evidence of tampering or the science of the test results, but the chain of custody and collection procedure." Those two names are the most legitimate you're going to find about steroids in professional sports in America. Edit: Kalapse quicker on the trigger than me. Sheeeyut. Edited February 24, 2012 by Cerbaho-WG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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