Y2Jimmy0 Posted June 1, 2012 Share Posted June 1, 2012 What Callis really hammered was JR-Kenny conundrum in their difference in philosophy. He said that Kenny Williams likes high impact, boom or bust type, toolsy players. But he said that Reinsdorf is not willing to spend money in the draft. The problem is that those type players are not cheap and in turn you end up with Keenyn Walker and Soptic type players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted June 1, 2012 Share Posted June 1, 2012 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 1, 2012 -> 12:46 PM) Quintana, Santiago and Pedro Hernandez don't count? We already have Sale and Danks. I wouldn't say ANOTHER lefty is the highest priority in the world at the moment. Its Keith Law. He may end up being right about who we draft, its just guessing anyway, but the guy has made clear that any "analysis" he provides about the Sox should be placed in the trash. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxfest Posted June 1, 2012 Share Posted June 1, 2012 QUOTE (PolishPrince34 @ Jun 1, 2012 -> 07:38 AM) Jim Callis of Baseball America was just on the score and was ripping apart the White Sox organization specifically Reinsdorf about his spending habits on the draft-shocker. He still believes the White Sox are going cheap and not come close to spending the allotted money ($5.9 million) on the first 10 rounds. If this is true-Reinsdorf needs to be blasted and give an explanation to his fans. The new collective bargaining agreement towards the Draft was pushed mostly by Reinsdorf and we should now take advantage of the system and spend the allotted money given to the White Sox. All 5.9 mil better be spent no excuses anymore from JR and Company. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox_Sonix Posted June 1, 2012 Share Posted June 1, 2012 QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Jun 1, 2012 -> 03:09 PM) What Callis really hammered was JR-Kenny conundrum in their difference in philosophy. He said that Kenny Williams likes high impact, boom or bust type, toolsy players. But he said that Reinsdorf is not willing to spend money in the draft. The problem is that those type players are not cheap and in turn you end up with Keenyn Walker and Soptic type players. So KW should have some blamed removed from him for some of the past drafts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted June 1, 2012 Share Posted June 1, 2012 QUOTE (ChiSox_Sonix @ Jun 1, 2012 -> 03:24 PM) So KW should have some blamed removed from him for some of the past drafts? I, for one, have never totally blamed Kenny for the draft inefficiencies. Much more of the blame should be on Reinsdorf, but there are specific examples ( Royce Ring in Round 1, Mitchell over Trout a few years back that could fall on KW. The thought process that says "never in anyway should we use resources on amateur talent, but I will shell out funds for the rest of Juan Pierre's contract" is and always will be completely asanine to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxjusttyped Posted June 1, 2012 Share Posted June 1, 2012 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 1, 2012 -> 12:46 PM) Quintana, Santiago and Pedro Hernandez don't count? We already have Sale and Danks. I wouldn't say ANOTHER lefty is the highest priority in the world at the moment. You don't pass on a front-line starter (which is what I assume they'd view Smoral as if he's the pick) because you have Jose Quintana, Hector Santiago, and the immortal Pedro Hernandez in your system. Just take the best player available and be done with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted June 1, 2012 Share Posted June 1, 2012 QUOTE (maxjusttyped @ Jun 1, 2012 -> 05:12 PM) You don't pass on a front-line starter (which is what I assume they'd view Smoral as if he's the pick) because you have Jose Quintana, Hector Santiago, and the immortal Pedro Hernandez in your system. Just take the best player available and be done with it. You also don't pass on a lefty in the draft because you have lefties in your rotation or bullpen or minor league system. If you think the lefty is the best talent on the board, take the lefty. By the time he gets to the big leagues, your rotation will look nothing like it does now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Springfield Soxfan Posted June 1, 2012 Share Posted June 1, 2012 I'm really hoping for D.J. Davis, love the speed....go get pitchers with the next ten picks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted June 1, 2012 Share Posted June 1, 2012 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 1, 2012 -> 04:32 PM) You also don't pass on a lefty in the draft because you have lefties in your rotation or bullpen or minor league system. If you think the lefty is the best talent on the board, take the lefty. By the time he gets to the big leagues, your rotation will look nothing like it does now. However, as in the case of Chris Sale, let's be realistic and say a collegiate pitcher easily could be on the White Sox roster in 2012 or 2013...depending on their desire to get signed as quickly as possible with a guarantee. If the best prospect is a pitcher in high school, that would be another story. But Honel and Stumm are the only ones that come to mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted June 1, 2012 Share Posted June 1, 2012 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 1, 2012 -> 06:36 PM) However, as in the case of Chris Sale, let's be realistic and say a collegiate pitcher easily could be on the White Sox roster in 2012 or 2013...depending on their desire to get signed as quickly as possible with a guarantee. If the best prospect is a pitcher in high school, that would be another story. But Honel and Stumm are the only ones that come to mind. If you happen to draft a pitcher who is that MLB ready again, you count your lucky stars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtySox Posted June 1, 2012 Author Share Posted June 1, 2012 (edited) 13. Chicago White Sox: Marcus Stroman, RHP, Duke The is where the run on the tier two college arms begin. Take the next three names and put them in any order, but it doesn't look like the Reds are on Stroman as much as some others. The White Sox would actually prefer Wacha if he's here. http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article....articleid=17223 I still love Stroman. Some of the best stuff in the draft class. Already has two plus pitches. If he wasn't 5' 9'' he'd be in the mix for number 1 pick in the draft. There is obviously some risk that he ends up in the pen, but he has much better upside as a starter than some of the 2nd tier of college pitching that should be available around 13. Though I perfectly understand if the Sox want a safer option considering the state of the farm. Edited June 1, 2012 by DirtySox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtySox Posted June 1, 2012 Author Share Posted June 1, 2012 Baseball America has the Sox on Wacha with their 3rd mock draft. http://www.baseballamerica.com/blog/draft/...v3-0-list-only/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 1, 2012 Share Posted June 1, 2012 QUOTE (DirtySox @ Jun 1, 2012 -> 06:01 PM) http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article....articleid=17223 I still love Stroman. Some of the best stuff in the draft class. Already has two plus pitches. If he wasn't 5' 9'' he'd be in the mix for number 1 pick in the draft. There is obviously some risk that he ends up in the pen, but he has much better upside as a starter than some of the 2nd tier of college pitching that should be available around 13. Though I perfectly understand if the Sox want a safer option considering the state of the farm. I keep going back to what the pitchers in the Sox rotation look like. They are all tall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtySox Posted June 1, 2012 Author Share Posted June 1, 2012 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 1, 2012 -> 06:27 PM) I keep going back to what the pitchers in the Sox rotation look like. They are all tall. Indeed they are. I don't expect them to take Stroman, just offering my opinion on him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted June 2, 2012 Share Posted June 2, 2012 Maybe since KW thinks of himself as a Stanford guy, he'll be more willing to take a Dukie, haha. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted June 2, 2012 Share Posted June 2, 2012 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 2, 2012 -> 12:06 AM) Maybe since KW thinks of himself as a Stanford guy, he'll be more willing to take a Dukie, haha. Piscotty from Stanford is supposed to also be a first round pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtySox Posted June 2, 2012 Author Share Posted June 2, 2012 QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 1, 2012 -> 07:12 PM) Piscotty from Stanford is supposed to also be a first round pick. I'd much rather have Shaffer than Piscotty. Not big on Piscotty at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted June 2, 2012 Share Posted June 2, 2012 QUOTE (DirtySox @ Jun 2, 2012 -> 12:22 AM) I'd much rather have Shaffer than Piscotty. Not big on Piscotty at all. I agree, I'd have no problem with the Clemson 3rd baseman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtySox Posted June 2, 2012 Author Share Posted June 2, 2012 (edited) QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 1, 2012 -> 07:24 PM) I agree, I'd have no problem with the Clemson 3rd baseman. I think other than Zunino, (who clearly won't be available at 13) Shaffer is the only college bat that I'd be in favor of as a 1st round pick. Pretty terrible college position player crop this season. Edited June 2, 2012 by DirtySox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted June 2, 2012 Share Posted June 2, 2012 I'm always for best player available, but I would love to see the Sox go the position playing route in close situations this draft. We only have a handful of position playing prospects with major league ceilings and will have several holes to fill at the major league level over the next three years. Also, I'd really like to see more high school players drafted in the top 10 rounds. I seriously hate looking at our low A roster and seeing 23 & 24 years old on there. Having said that, I'd most likely avoid a high school pitcher in the first round. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bighurt4life Posted June 2, 2012 Share Posted June 2, 2012 QUOTE (DirtySox @ Jun 1, 2012 -> 04:29 PM) Indeed they are. I don't expect them to take Stroman, just offering my opinion on him. You're probably right, he doesn't look the part of a major leaguer, but I just don't really care personally. Look at his numbers, look at the results, look at his raw stuff. I'll take performance over a guy who looks good getting off the bus any day of the week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted June 2, 2012 Share Posted June 2, 2012 QUOTE (DirtySox @ Jun 2, 2012 -> 01:33 AM) I think other than Zunino, (who clearly won't be available at 13) Shaffer is the only college bat that I'd be in favor of as a 1st round pick. Pretty terrible college position player crop this season. I still think Roache is going to make a team in the late first round/early supplemental pick very happy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtySox Posted June 2, 2012 Author Share Posted June 2, 2012 QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 1, 2012 -> 07:45 PM) I still think Roache is going to make a team in the late first round/early supplemental pick very happy It's certainly possible. I just couldn't pull the trigger on him at 13 after an injured season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted June 2, 2012 Share Posted June 2, 2012 FYI, at last check, Wacha was having a great start tonight to open up the tournament Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtySox Posted June 2, 2012 Author Share Posted June 2, 2012 (edited) Sickels posted his 2012 Draft Top 100: http://www.minorleagueball.com/2012/6/1/30...couting-reports Correa has some late helium for sure. Edited June 2, 2012 by DirtySox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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