Palehosefan Posted April 12, 2012 Share Posted April 12, 2012 Shabazz to UCLA, not a shocker considering... "Asia Muhammad, Bazz's sister, is ranked No. 386 on the WTA Tour and has an adidas deal. UCLA is also an adidas school." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heads22 Posted April 12, 2012 Share Posted April 12, 2012 Noel to Kentucky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted April 12, 2012 Share Posted April 12, 2012 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Apr 11, 2012 -> 05:40 PM) I dont know about the IU guys but it pisses me off every time I see Gary Harris and the f***ing MSU logo next to his name. I don't like it, but to me it's better than having Purdue or Kentucky next to his name. Not sure how close we were to getting Harris, but I had heard he wasn't going to pick IU unless there was a spot available (meaning not oversigned). No one questioned whether he would have a spot, just that his family wanted him to fit in an open spot. Maybe they didn't want to feel like he was causing another player to lose his scholly or whatever, but that's just what I had heard. When we signed Remy Abell last year, I knew it was going to be an uphill climb with Harris simply due to numbers. We're still oversigned by one right now and that doesn't include Matt Roth who has eligibility remaining. Though not sure what Roth would do since I'm told he is very close to having a graduate degree already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted April 12, 2012 Share Posted April 12, 2012 QUOTE (Palehosefan @ Apr 11, 2012 -> 06:39 PM) Shabazz to UCLA, not a shocker considering... "Asia Muhammad, Bazz's sister, is ranked No. 386 on the WTA Tour and has an adidas deal. UCLA is also an adidas school." UCLA gets the #1 and #3 player according to Rivals. Guess we'll be seeing a quick turnaround there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted April 12, 2012 Share Posted April 12, 2012 QUOTE (Rex Hudler @ Apr 11, 2012 -> 07:56 PM) UCLA gets the #1 and #3 player according to Rivals. Guess we'll be seeing a quick turnaround there. They've been awful for 2 out of the last 3 years so I'm not sure id consider it a quick turnaround. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted April 12, 2012 Share Posted April 12, 2012 (edited) Rex, Crean has a terrible reputation in Wisconsin for over-signing. My guess is that on the recruitment trail someone told his family about his love of oversigning and they didnt want to feel their sons commitment caused another player to lose his spot. http://oversigning.com/testing/index.php/2...more-1419\ http://kentsterling.com/2010/08/24/indiana...rivals-5-stars/ Tom Crean has stated recently that he is looking to oversign in every recruiting class. Indiana currently has one open spot in the class of 2011 but could oversign by one, meaning both Zeller and Young could become Hoosiers. I dont know if that will play well in the Indiana High Schools. At Marquette he basically would get 1 recruit from Wisconsin a year, at Indiana he seemingly is going to get multiple in state. You have to believe the Creaning of players is going to eventually ruin some relationships. Edited April 12, 2012 by Soxbadger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted April 12, 2012 Share Posted April 12, 2012 Right there. Noel was supposed to pick Georgetown, all signs were pointing there. Picks Kentucky. It's just weird. The fact that they are extremely good is definitely a huge pull for these top 1-10 guys, its also a clear path to the NBA most likely. So whatever, probably another final four run. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted April 12, 2012 Share Posted April 12, 2012 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Apr 11, 2012 -> 08:42 PM) Right there. Noel was supposed to pick Georgetown, all signs were pointing there. Picks Kentucky. It's just weird. The fact that they are extremely good is definitely a huge pull for these top 1-10 guys, its also a clear path to the NBA most likely. So whatever, probably another final four run. Blame the NBA & guys like Jerry Krause who couldn't stay away from high schoolers like Eddy Curry. Dirty or not, Calipari has taken full advantage of the one & done rule to almost create a minor league system at Kentucky. Other schools sell kids on their university, and he sells them on his ability to get them ready for the NBA. And he now has the track record with all the recent draft picks they have had. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted April 12, 2012 Share Posted April 12, 2012 QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Apr 12, 2012 -> 06:59 AM) Blame the NBA & guys like Jerry Krause who couldn't stay away from high schoolers like Eddy Curry. Dirty or not, Calipari has taken full advantage of the one & done rule to almost create a minor league system at Kentucky. Other schools sell kids on their university, and he sells them on his ability to get them ready for the NBA. And he now has the track record with all the recent draft picks they have had. I HATE one and dones. Its killing the quality of college bball. With that said, Coach Cal has done it dirty before, so the chance is still out there that he's doing it again. He COULD be getting these guys clean, but history points a different direction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted April 12, 2012 Share Posted April 12, 2012 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Apr 12, 2012 -> 08:22 AM) I HATE one and dones. Its killing the quality of college bball. With that said, Coach Cal has done it dirty before, so the chance is still out there that he's doing it again. He COULD be getting these guys clean, but history points a different direction. He could even be going clean. He provides winning, and a quickest route to the NBA for a top notch kid. Who else can top that right now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted April 12, 2012 Share Posted April 12, 2012 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Apr 12, 2012 -> 08:24 AM) He could even be going clean. He provides winning, and a quickest route to the NBA for a top notch kid. Who else can top that right now? Not to start a Coach Cal love fest, but what did he get in trouble for at UMass & Memphis? Sports agents were paying Camby to woo him, it wasn't money directly from Cal. I highly doubt he personally advised Derrick to cheat on his SAT. Most of the dirty recruting in college doesn't seem to involve the coaches themselves. It's boosters, alums, AAU people, agents, and even Adidas & Nike. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted April 12, 2012 Share Posted April 12, 2012 QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Apr 12, 2012 -> 09:56 AM) Not to start a Coach Cal love fest, but what did he get in trouble for at UMass & Memphis? Sports agents were paying Camby to woo him, it wasn't money directly from Cal. I highly doubt he personally advised Derrick to cheat on his SAT. Most of the dirty recruting in college doesn't seem to involve the coaches themselves. It's boosters, alums, AAU people, agents, and even Adidas & Nike. GMAB man, that's the coach making sure he has "Plausible deniability". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted April 12, 2012 Share Posted April 12, 2012 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Apr 12, 2012 -> 09:00 AM) GMAB man, that's the coach making sure he has "Plausible deniability". And of course he is the only coach in basketball that does that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted April 12, 2012 Share Posted April 12, 2012 QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Apr 12, 2012 -> 08:56 AM) Not to start a Coach Cal love fest, but what did he get in trouble for at UMass & Memphis? Sports agents were paying Camby to woo him, it wasn't money directly from Cal. I highly doubt he personally advised Derrick to cheat on his SAT. Most of the dirty recruting in college doesn't seem to involve the coaches themselves. It's boosters, alums, AAU people, agents, and even Adidas & Nike. And the more they win and send players to the NBA, the less of a need there is for any of it. Kind of like how the mob tries to get into legitimate businesses to hide their money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted April 12, 2012 Share Posted April 12, 2012 QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Apr 12, 2012 -> 10:13 AM) And of course he is the only coach in basketball that does that. When did I say that? Cal just does it better than the others, and then scampers away to another job before things actually get exposed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted April 12, 2012 Share Posted April 12, 2012 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Apr 12, 2012 -> 09:16 AM) When did I say that? Cal just does it better than the others, and then scampers away to another job before things actually get exposed. If he does it better than the others, why does he keep getting caught while no one else does? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted April 12, 2012 Share Posted April 12, 2012 QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Apr 12, 2012 -> 10:31 AM) If he does it better than the others, why does he keep getting caught while no one else does? He doesn't keep getting caught. The big name players keep getting caught, but by that time he's already moved on. If he was getting caught, the phrase "Show Cause" would be applied. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted April 12, 2012 Share Posted April 12, 2012 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Apr 12, 2012 -> 09:35 AM) He doesn't keep getting caught. The big name players keep getting caught, but by that time he's already moved on. If he was getting caught, the phrase "Show Cause" would be applied. So he hasn't broken any rules then? Just like all the other big name coaches haven't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cabiness42 Posted April 12, 2012 Share Posted April 12, 2012 He doesn't keep getting caught. The big name players keep getting caught, but by that time he's already moved on. If he was getting caught, the phrase "Show Cause" would be applied. Being less thorough when digging into the past of questionable recruits is not an NCAA violation, and Calipari has taken full advantage of that fact. At some point, his employers need to realize this and cover the bases that he isn't since they are the ones who will get stuck with the penalties later on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenksismyhero Posted April 12, 2012 Share Posted April 12, 2012 Calipari is like Pete Carroll - do some shady things, or allow shady players/handlers into the program, and then high tail it out of town AFTER getting a ring and all the praise and notoriety that comes with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted April 12, 2012 Share Posted April 12, 2012 QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Apr 12, 2012 -> 10:04 AM) Being less thorough when digging into the past of questionable recruits is not an NCAA violation, and Calipari has taken full advantage of that fact. At some point, his employers need to realize this and cover the bases that he isn't since they are the ones who will get stuck with the penalties later on. I would expect Kentucky's athletic compliance department to be much more knowledgable/skilled/experienced/funded etc., than the depts at Memphis or UMass, so it will be much tougher to uncover anything there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted April 12, 2012 Share Posted April 12, 2012 My question would be how different is it than a player de-committing from a school at the last minute? http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/highschool-p...-185529935.html Utah basketball pulls scholarship from California player after growth-related illness By Cameron Smith | Prep Rally – 20 hours ago In November, Studio City (Calif.) Harvard Westlake senior basketball star Josh Hearlihy signed on to spend his future at the University of Utah, spurning the scholarship offers of other Division I programs like Wyoming, Santa Clara and San Diego, among others, to sign on to play with the Utes. Now, months later, Utah and men's basketball coach Larry Krystowiak are trying to wriggle their way out of the scholarship they promised the teen, just because he had a rough, injury-plagued senior season that was related to a health condition completely beyond his control: He was simply growing too fast. Harvard-Westlake senior Josh Hearlihy — Harvard-Westlake SchoolHarvard-Westlake senior Josh Hearlihy — Harvard-Westlake School As reported by the Los Angeles Times, the Utes officially asked the 6-foot-7 Hearlihy to release the school from its scholarship obligation to the senior. No official reason was provided for the request, though it is extremely likely that Hearlihy's health issues played a part; the teenager missed 14 games during his senior campaign due to health issues related to his rapid growth. He still managed to play in six of Harvard-Westlake's games, forming a potent duo with junior Zena Edosomwan. If the retraction of Hearlihy's signed scholarship doesn't seem fair to you, that's probably because it isn't. What Utah is trying to do makes a mockery of the early recruiting system, when players commit to a program to lock up a scholarship and make sure that other players get to commit to other programs. When schools back out of those pledges, it blatantly takes advantage of the loyalty of a player who openly passed up on other opportunities to commit to their program. As Jeff Eisenberg of Prep Rally's brotherly blog The Dagger writes, it's technically possible for Hearlihy to refuse to give up his scholarship spot, but that seems extremely unlikely, even if Utah's reputation may suffer as a result of the pulled scholarship. "I was very excited about going to Utah when I signed my Letter of Intent in November," Hearlihy said in a statement obtained by the Times. "However, the coaching staff has reconsidered their commitment to me and has asked to be released from their obligation. I turned down scholarship offers and stopped exploring other options when I signed. "Given the situation at Utah, I'm concerned about putting myself in an environment where I'm not wanted. It is still my dream to play college basketball and I will continue to work hard every day to make that dream a reality." Now, with spring signing day upon the nation, there are few remaining opportunities for Hearlihy to find another Division I opening, and even less time to find that spot. As a result, the most likely future for Hearlihy may come at a prep school, where the teen would spend a year biding time to re-enter the Division I recruiting cycle. That's a harsh reality for a promising forward who seemed to have a bright Pac-12 future ahead of him just months earlier. No matter how it ends, the way Utah handled the situation certainly leaves a sour taste in plenty of mouths. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted April 12, 2012 Share Posted April 12, 2012 QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Apr 12, 2012 -> 09:50 AM) So he hasn't broken any rules then? Just like all the other big name coaches haven't. How many big name coaches have left a trail of NCAA sanctions in their wake? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted April 12, 2012 Share Posted April 12, 2012 QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Apr 12, 2012 -> 10:10 AM) I would expect Kentucky's athletic compliance department to be much more knowledgable/skilled/experienced/funded etc., than the depts at Memphis or UMass, so it will be much tougher to uncover anything there. Its not the compliance dept. Its how tightly knitted the group of boosters is within the community. UK fans are the entire city, its going to be very hard to crack that nut. The SEC in general is very good at hiding things and never ever letting them out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted April 12, 2012 Share Posted April 12, 2012 ESPN updated its top 25 list for next year. 6 Big Ten teams make the cut. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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