jeffro2525 Posted May 4, 2012 Share Posted May 4, 2012 (edited) QUOTE (fathom @ May 4, 2012 -> 04:41 PM) Well, most importantly, hopefully it's not serious for Sale and he's able to recover. If this ends up being a TJS situation, this organization is completely screwed. I just don't want to think about that possibility right now...it's a "tender" elbow. I don't want us all to worry more than we actually have to... Just don't know what to make of this yet. They're worried enough to yank him from the rotation, but not worried enough to DL him? I just don't know what to think about that...I want to believe that they are just being over-cautious. Edited May 4, 2012 by jeffro2525 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoSox05 Posted May 4, 2012 Share Posted May 4, 2012 If they were really concerned, they would have shut him down. This has to be a over-cautious move. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2HH Posted May 4, 2012 Share Posted May 4, 2012 Why are you people insane? Did I seriously read someone call for KW to "leave" because Sale has a sore elbow?! Seriously? Would Sale be better on the DL? I sometimes wonder about the lack of logic around here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted May 4, 2012 Share Posted May 4, 2012 Health and longevity have always been a concern for Sale. Seems to me that they've evaluated his risk of injury against projected IP and came to the conclusion that he'd be safer back in the pen.... Which leads me to believe that he will never amount to anything more than an elite bullpen arm. Hope I'm wrong - that'd be sad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted May 4, 2012 Share Posted May 4, 2012 QUOTE (Y2HH @ May 4, 2012 -> 09:50 PM) Why are you people insane? Did I seriously read someone call for KW to "leave" because Sale has a sore elbow?! Seriously? Would Sale be better on the DL? I sometimes wonder about the lack of logic around here. It's cause they completely botched how they've handled Sale. He should have been starting in the minors last year so that he was ready to log starter's innings this year. This isn't exactly a new topic of conversation on here, and quite frankly, I'm sure a lot of people on here think it was just a matter of time before Sale got injured as a starter. And yes, you absolutely DL him instead of putting him in stressful situations (like which every other team in the majors would do). Also, Sox would probably feel more comfortable with putting him on the DL if not for the idiotic decision of making Santiago a closer out of ST. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted May 4, 2012 Share Posted May 4, 2012 Santiago should get sent down to start in AAA, as there's no reason to have 4 lefties in your bullpen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bjm676 Posted May 4, 2012 Share Posted May 4, 2012 So, I'm guessing this is perrmanent? Based on what Coop is saying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxrd5 Posted May 4, 2012 Share Posted May 4, 2012 QUOTE (fathom @ May 4, 2012 -> 04:52 PM) It's cause they completely botched how they've handled Sale. He should have been starting in the minors last year so that he was ready to log starter's innings this year. This isn't exactly a new topic of conversation on here, and quite frankly, I'm sure a lot of people on here think it was just a matter of time before Sale got injured as a starter. And yes, you absolutely DL him instead of putting him in stressful situations (like which every other team in the majors would do). Also, Sox would probably feel more comfortable with putting him on the DL if not for the idiotic decision of making Santiago a closer out of ST. Cosign this entire post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted May 4, 2012 Share Posted May 4, 2012 (edited) QUOTE (robinventura23 @ May 4, 2012 -> 09:55 PM) So, I'm guessing this is perrmanent? Based on what Coop is saying. So next year's rotation is Danks, Humber, Axelrod, Stewart and Santiago/Molina Edited May 4, 2012 by fathom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bjm676 Posted May 4, 2012 Share Posted May 4, 2012 somebody has to go when Crain comes back. I say either Santiago or Ohman is the odd man out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffro2525 Posted May 4, 2012 Share Posted May 4, 2012 QUOTE (fathom @ May 4, 2012 -> 04:54 PM) Santiago should get sent down to start in AAA, as there's no reason to have 4 lefties in your bullpen. This is very true. Don't need Thornton, Sale, Santiago and Ohman all in the bullpen. And now is the time...Matt Thornton has to go. Yankees and Red Sox have never needed bullpen help worse than they do now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted May 4, 2012 Share Posted May 4, 2012 QUOTE (fathom @ May 4, 2012 -> 04:57 PM) So next year's rotation is Danks, Humber, Axelrod, Stewart and Santiago/Molina Look out Texas/Tampa. We're coming. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted May 4, 2012 Share Posted May 4, 2012 QUOTE (fathom @ May 4, 2012 -> 02:57 PM) So next year's rotation is Danks, Humber, Axelrod, Stewart and Santiago/Molina Welcome to circa pre 2005 again and the ever revolving 4th / 5th start spots. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted May 4, 2012 Share Posted May 4, 2012 (edited) Wow, it's a permanent decision for this year according to Merkin. I've never seen anything like this. Edited May 4, 2012 by fathom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted May 4, 2012 Share Posted May 4, 2012 QUOTE (hi8is @ May 4, 2012 -> 10:59 PM) Welcome to circa pre 2005 again and the ever revolving 1st/2nd/3rd/4th / 5th start spots. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted May 4, 2012 Share Posted May 4, 2012 QUOTE (robinventura23 @ May 4, 2012 -> 02:59 PM) somebody has to go when Crain comes back. I say either Santiago or Ohman is the odd man out. They're not going to drop Ohman when Santiago has options. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted May 4, 2012 Share Posted May 4, 2012 QUOTE (fathom @ May 4, 2012 -> 05:59 PM) Wow, it's a permanent decision for this year according to Merkin. I've never seen anything like this. I'm pretty sure I can go back and find myself having some serious "I told you so"'s on this one and the decision to put Sale in the pen last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted May 4, 2012 Share Posted May 4, 2012 http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseb...0,3429271.story Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South Side Fireworks Man Posted May 4, 2012 Share Posted May 4, 2012 QUOTE (fathom @ May 4, 2012 -> 04:52 PM) It's cause they completely botched how they've handled Sale. He should have been starting in the minors last year so that he was ready to log starter's innings this year. Maybe he would have developed the tender elbow starting in the minors last year. Maybe the kid is just not physically able to be a starter because of his mechanics. Also, wasn't one of the main reasons the Sox were able to sign Sale after the draft that they promised him that he would be pitching in the major leagues within a year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted May 4, 2012 Share Posted May 4, 2012 (edited) Based on the Tribune article, it sure seems like the Sox were expecting to have to move him back to the bullpen. If that's the case, then another case of terrible scouting prior to the draft. I do like Sale, and what's done is done. Hopefully he turns into Billy Wagner. Edited May 4, 2012 by fathom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sockin Posted May 4, 2012 Share Posted May 4, 2012 Who gets demoted when Crain comes back? Has to be Santiago, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted May 4, 2012 Share Posted May 4, 2012 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ May 4, 2012 -> 05:02 PM) I'm pretty sure I can go back and find myself having some serious "I told you so"'s on this one and the decision to put Sale in the pen last year. How do you know starting him in AAA last year wouldn't have produced the same result? Seems like quite the reach there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted May 4, 2012 Share Posted May 4, 2012 So depressing. I was really looking forward to him starting 32 games for the Sox for many years. I hate this so much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted May 4, 2012 Share Posted May 4, 2012 QUOTE (Sockin @ May 4, 2012 -> 10:11 PM) Who gets demoted when Crain comes back? Has to be Santiago, right? I think it will be Stewart, unless Santiago gets bombed before that. Crain isn't ready to come off yet though, and might be another 10 days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxrd5 Posted May 4, 2012 Share Posted May 4, 2012 The 2010 draft featured 1st and 3rd round picks that are now apparently permanent relief pitchers. I don't claim to be a scouting or draft guru, but that sounds like something the 30th rated farm system would do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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