Andy the Clown Posted June 29, 2012 Share Posted June 29, 2012 So, Nestor Molina is having an extremely difficult season. Has anyone heard what the problems are? Is he a lost cause, or is the organization still optimistic about his future? Thanks, I'll hang up and listen... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted June 29, 2012 Share Posted June 29, 2012 Well, he's on the DL right now, for I believe, elbow tendonitis. Keep in mind also that this is a converted position player, still learning how to go from throwing to pitching. I'd be patient. Let's see how he does when he comes back, and not just for core results - look for improvement in control, K rate, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted June 29, 2012 Share Posted June 29, 2012 While he has a vested interest to do so, KW has reiterated that he thinks Nestor is the highest ceiling prospect that we have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scenario Posted June 29, 2012 Share Posted June 29, 2012 ^^^^ What NS72 said. Molina has a major league arm. I wouldn't put too much stock in the numbers at this point. Newly converted pitchers typically need to focus on mechanics, repeatability of delivery, command, and control. As those areas improve, so will the numbers. Until then the results can be ugly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted June 29, 2012 Share Posted June 29, 2012 I have never seen Nestor pitch. He is just a strike thrower though right? Does not have great stuff, does not walk people, and really does not have a great out pitch. Am I correct? I am pleasantly surprised with Simon Castro. If Molina becomes a decent #4 or #5 starter, trading Sergio Santos for him was a good trade. Hopefully, Moilina can get back soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPN366 Posted June 30, 2012 Share Posted June 30, 2012 I've seen him and I'd have to say the White Sox were sold a bill of goods. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldsox Posted June 30, 2012 Share Posted June 30, 2012 And, yet, the team's web site has Molina as the Number 2, count 'em two, prospect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted June 30, 2012 Share Posted June 30, 2012 QUOTE (JPN366 @ Jun 29, 2012 -> 08:42 PM) I've seen him and I'd have to say the White Sox were sold a bill of goods. It's possible both teams won't be happy with that deal in the long run. So bad/bad, and move on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OilCan Posted June 30, 2012 Share Posted June 30, 2012 QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Jun 29, 2012 -> 03:41 PM) Well, he's on the DL right now, for I believe, elbow tendonitis. Keep in mind also that this is a converted position player, still learning how to go from throwing to pitching. I'd be patient. Let's see how he does when he comes back, and not just for core results - look for improvement in control, K rate, etc. +1. He's only 21-22. Let's cut him a break and see what happens after he comes back from the DL. If a guy like Marco Paddy told KW to get him, I would trust his assessment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 QUOTE (JPN366 @ Jun 29, 2012 -> 07:42 PM) I've seen him and I'd have to say the White Sox were sold a bill of goods. Wouldn't you say it is pretty likely he hasn't been healthy all season long and was trying to pitch through it? Hence, the diminished K numbers and giving up tons of hits/IP. It's pretty clear his stuff just hasn't been there....the numbers from 2011 compared to 2012 aren't even remotely similar, except the BB/9 ratio. His velocity has been in the 89-92 range this season, compared to the numbers we heard when he was acquired, which were more in the 91-94 range. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 2, 2012 -> 05:35 PM) Wouldn't you say it is pretty likely he hasn't been healthy all season long and was trying to pitch through it? Hence, the diminished K numbers and giving up tons of hits/IP. It's pretty clear his stuff just hasn't been there....the numbers from 2011 compared to 2012 aren't even remotely similar, except the BB/9 ratio. His velocity has been in the 89-92 range this season, compared to the numbers we heard when he was acquired, which were more in the 91-94 range. I don't recall hearing 91-94 range, I recall hearing "around 90 but great control" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scenario Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 Molina is not overpowering. The book on him is that he's consistently 90-92 with his fastball... has an above average splitter, a slurve, and a work in progress changeup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 Besides KW, Merkin/Rongey and Paddy, where did the idea that he could be a frontline starter come from? Just based on his control? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 3, 2012 -> 08:44 AM) Besides KW, Merkin/Rongey and Paddy, where did the idea that he could be a frontline starter come from? Just based on his control? That and, although at lower levels, he has put up some pretty impressive stats (particularly if you like K/BB ratio) despite very little pitching experience. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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