joeynach Posted July 28, 2012 Share Posted July 28, 2012 I noticed this when he got hit hard his last start against the Tigers too, he's not throwing his usual 94-96MPH fastball anymore. Following this game vs. the Rangers on MLB Gameday it shows his Fastball velocity between 89-91MPH, a change up velocity between 84-86MPH, and a slider velocity around 77 MPH. Hes getting hit very hard on the Fastball and change up, the loss in FB velocity is making the change up very easy to hit. Hes been getting outs on the slider. To me the first thing that popped into my mind is either dead arm period or forget the whole 160 Innings thing, we at his IP limit right now. Fangraphs has his career PitchFX velocity on as follows: vFB 94.4 MPH, vFT 92.7, vSL 80.9, vCH 83.9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted July 28, 2012 Share Posted July 28, 2012 I'm pretty damn certain it's a dead arm. As I said in the game thread it will be very interesting how the Sox handle this for the next few weeks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macsandz Posted July 28, 2012 Share Posted July 28, 2012 QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Jul 27, 2012 -> 08:24 PM) I'm pretty damn certain it's a dead arm. As I said in the game thread it will be very interesting how the Sox handle this for the next few weeks. This. Not a big deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted July 28, 2012 Share Posted July 28, 2012 See my posts in the game thread. Mechanics are fine. He is going through a dead-arm period and they'll first try to have him pitch threw it. If he doesn't show improvement in the next start or so, they'll then go to an alternative and sit him for 1-2 weeks. As long as he isn't in pain and so far I haven't seen any change in mechanics (which is a huge plus), then I think this is nothing other then a dead arm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted July 28, 2012 Share Posted July 28, 2012 I'd think about letting him skip a start. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeynach Posted July 28, 2012 Author Share Posted July 28, 2012 QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Jul 27, 2012 -> 08:48 PM) I'd think about letting him skip a start. Or two. Didnt the Brewers do the same with Grienke and he came back strong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted July 28, 2012 Share Posted July 28, 2012 Hangover. He went out with Peavy in Dallas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winninguglyin83 Posted July 28, 2012 Share Posted July 28, 2012 didn't he just skip a start during the all-star game break. missed that sunday game in chicago. Threw one inning in KC and then didn't pitch again until Saturday in KC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted July 28, 2012 Share Posted July 28, 2012 QUOTE (winninguglyin83 @ Jul 27, 2012 -> 08:04 PM) didn't he just skip a start during the all-star game break. missed that sunday game in chicago. Threw one inning in KC and then didn't pitch again until Saturday in KC. Personally, I think the lack of use, gave him a bit of a dead arm as his body is readjusting to the workload. Similar to how pitchers typically go through a dead-arm period early in spring when they start to push themselves again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted July 28, 2012 Share Posted July 28, 2012 (edited) I hope its a dead arm. There were times on certain pitches where he seemed to be in some pain and kind of held his arm right next to his body. It actually reminded me of when I had a sublexation in my neck and the nerve was pinched shooting pain down my entire shoulder. I held my elbow right into my ribs.Not every pitch, but most where he was throwing harder. Edited July 28, 2012 by Dick Allen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted July 28, 2012 Share Posted July 28, 2012 Leesman started tonight. Maybe they give him a start in Minnesota next Wednesday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted July 28, 2012 Share Posted July 28, 2012 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 28, 2012 -> 04:44 AM) I hope its a dead arm. There were times on certain pitches where he seemed to be in some pain and kind of held his arm right next to his body. It actually reminded me of when I had a sublexation in my neck and the nerve was pinched shooting pain down my entire shoulder. I held my elbow right into my ribs.Not every pitch, but most where he was throwing harder. That's scary. If he did feel pain, I'd suspect we'll be hearing soon about a shutdown of Sale. I believe you when you said you saw what you saw. This is scary news. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted July 28, 2012 Share Posted July 28, 2012 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 27, 2012 -> 10:44 PM) I hope its a dead arm. There were times on certain pitches where he seemed to be in some pain and kind of held his arm right next to his body. It actually reminded me of when I had a sublexation in my neck and the nerve was pinched shooting pain down my entire shoulder. I held my elbow right into my ribs.Not every pitch, but most where he was throwing harder. I didn't see that at all and I'm sure if he was in any pain whatsoever he would have been pulled right away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorStSox Posted July 28, 2012 Share Posted July 28, 2012 QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Jul 28, 2012 -> 12:39 AM) I didn't see that at all and I'm sure if he was in any pain whatsoever he would have been pulled right away. Agreed. I didn't see anything like he described either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scenario Posted July 28, 2012 Share Posted July 28, 2012 I don't think the velocity drop is due to a physical problem. I think it's intentional to help him last longer into the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty34 Posted July 28, 2012 Share Posted July 28, 2012 QUOTE (scenario @ Jul 28, 2012 -> 09:35 AM) I don't think the velocity drop is due to a physical problem. I think it's intentional to help him last longer into the season. I have a feeling you're right. I remember his last start at home before the break against Texas, he got the big lead and was just sitting between 89-91 mph. 7th inning Josh Hamilton came up and he was at 93-95 mph for that AB. The Sox wouldn't put him out there if he was hurting. As long as he's being honest with them . . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dyuen Posted July 28, 2012 Share Posted July 28, 2012 QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Jul 27, 2012 -> 08:48 PM) I'd think about letting him skip a start. I mentioned back in June that this has been the plan all along. Expect some ten day off stretches Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorStSox Posted July 28, 2012 Share Posted July 28, 2012 I was really impressed with Sale last night. He kept us in the game against a great offense without much of anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 28, 2012 Share Posted July 28, 2012 QUOTE (scenario @ Jul 28, 2012 -> 09:35 AM) I don't think the velocity drop is due to a physical problem. I think it's intentional to help him last longer into the season. It wouldn't shock me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spiderman Posted July 28, 2012 Share Posted July 28, 2012 QUOTE (docsox24 @ Jul 28, 2012 -> 10:01 AM) I mentioned back in June that this has been the plan all along. Expect some ten day off stretches This is why they need to add another starting pitcher to the mix. I'm concerned that his velocity is down - it may not be an injury, but he's tired, and a tired arm could lead to bad habits, etc. I don't think Danks is even part of the conversation as that addition to the rotation, but when you think about Quintana not having this many innings under him, and general concern about Peavy's durability, there's got be another veteran arm added to the mix. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted July 28, 2012 Share Posted July 28, 2012 QUOTE (spiderman @ Jul 28, 2012 -> 10:35 AM) This is why they need to add another starting pitcher to the mix. I'm concerned that his velocity is down - it may not be an injury, but he's tired, and a tired arm could lead to bad habits, etc. I don't think Danks is even part of the conversation as that addition to the rotation, but when you think about Quintana not having this many innings under him, and general concern about Peavy's durability, there's got be another veteran arm added to the mix. The Danks' situation is growing more concerning by the day. He's rested almost 2 months and he can't throw 30 pitches and not feel awful the next day. I had him penciled in for late August. This last bit of news yesterday made me erase that and pencil him in for perhaps spring training. I think there is something wrong that they haven't been able to see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melissa1334 Posted July 28, 2012 Share Posted July 28, 2012 QUOTE (spiderman @ Jul 28, 2012 -> 10:35 AM) This is why they need to add another starting pitcher to the mix. I'm concerned that his velocity is down - it may not be an injury, but he's tired, and a tired arm could lead to bad habits, etc. I don't think Danks is even part of the conversation as that addition to the rotation, but when you think about Quintana not having this many innings under him, and general concern about Peavy's durability, there's got be another veteran arm added to the mix. we're already probably giving away the game with humber today then skip sale on wed? we face diamond so that would be giving away another game. the race is too close to be doing this, definitely need another starter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted July 28, 2012 Share Posted July 28, 2012 QUOTE (Melissa1334 @ Jul 28, 2012 -> 10:39 AM) we're already probably giving away the game with humber today then skip sale on wed? we face diamond so that would be giving away another game. the race is too close to be doing this, definitely need another starter I don't think there's any question they need another starter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted July 28, 2012 Share Posted July 28, 2012 QUOTE (scenario @ Jul 28, 2012 -> 09:35 AM) I don't think the velocity drop is due to a physical problem. I think it's intentional to help him last longer into the season. It could be intentional but I don't think so due to he was getting tatooed around in the first inning yesterday. Young guys holding back, getting hit hard, tend to throw a 95 MPH fastball or two to get out of trouble if they have it available. There were more than a few who think its a dead arm, and that, hopefully, is all it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgaughan09 Posted July 28, 2012 Share Posted July 28, 2012 I still think it was a combination of Chris being tired and good use of a designed gameplan for Chris to take a little off his stuff last night. Rangers are a GREAT fastball hitting team, much like our Sox. What kind of pitchers absolutely kill the Sox? Soft tossing lefties. Chris had trouble finding his spots early last night but after the first couple innings he really settled in well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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