G&T Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 QUOTE (scenario @ Sep 5, 2012 -> 03:15 PM) Guilty until proven innocent. The new normal in the Internet age. Yeah, we should all bury our heads in the sand to the realities of sports today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 Times like these are when Im glad my stance on steroids/ped etc has always been, I dont really care. I expect people to cheat to win, its up to MLB to catch them in the act. Since all we have is circumstantial evidence Ill just wait and see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 Sounds like complete crap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 5, 2012 -> 03:16 PM) Have people seriously been assuming he's guilty? The title of the thread is "100% PROVEN AND GUARANTEED!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Princess Dye Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 (edited) QUOTE (scenario @ Sep 5, 2012 -> 03:15 PM) Guilty until proven innocent. The new normal in the Internet age. Which is fine, and pretty much the point of a message board. I'm saying he's guilty, even though I do not have a positive test behind it. Lets also add: I'm not a columnist, or an MLB governing body. I'm someone simply posting here. And what informs my belief is not just this huge spike in power (at age 35, in a free agent year).... but additionally the fact that baseball itself --the league and its ever-expanding players-- put me in a position to have to think that way. Unless I'm out to be naive on purpose (just for my own team's guys). To clarify even further, I'm not as devastated by steroid use as some here are-- after all I like the NFL-- but that would be an entirely different discussion. Edited September 5, 2012 by Jose Paniagua Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swingandalongonetoleft Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 QUOTE (Jose Paniagua @ Sep 5, 2012 -> 01:42 PM) Based on what we've seen in MLB's recent history, there absolutely cannot be any shock over this. His best power numbers at age 35, plus a free agent year. I'm not talking about rumors, just saying --he's using-- regardless of this 'report' Not disagreeing. When it comes to PEDs in baseball, I can't help but be of the where there's smoke there's fire mindset- I don't see how anyone watching this game for the last 10-15 years can look at it any other way. That's why it would be a bummer- my comment stems from my fandom. Pierzynski is a favorite of mine right up there with some of the other more typical Sox favorites. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 QUOTE (Swingandalongonetoleft @ Sep 5, 2012 -> 04:51 PM) Not disagreeing. When it comes to PEDs in baseball, I can't help but be of the where there's smoke there's fire mindset- I don't see how anyone watching this game for the last 10-15 years can look at it any other way. That's why it would be a bummer- my comment stems from my fandom. Pierzynski is a favorite of mine right up there with some of the other more typical Sox favorites. I can think of at least 1 example of a PED rumor starting at a message board and winding up being incorrect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigruss Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 QUOTE (iamshack @ Sep 5, 2012 -> 03:09 PM) The good thing is it doesn't matter how it looks. It only matters if AJ tested positive and loses his appeal. Well I meant that it doesn't bode well for AJ or the Sox, not that the Sox reputation is getting hurt just by a rumor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paint it Black Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 QUOTE (scenario @ Sep 5, 2012 -> 03:15 PM) Guilty until proven innocent. The new normal in the Internet age. Yes, because the court of public opinions on the internet holds the exact same standards as our legal system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 FWIW, there had been talk earlier in the season about AJ having really put effort into a strength and conditioning program for the first time as a player, particularly in the offseason. Our S&C coach was interviewed as well. This was offered as an explanation for his resurgence. Of course, this goes both ways. I'd get more interested in lifting weights, etc. if I was doing a steroid run too. Just like people saying there are whispers. Of course there are when something crazy happens like this. There would be whispers if he were innocent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 QUOTE (Jake @ Sep 5, 2012 -> 04:22 PM) FWIW, there had been talk earlier in the season about AJ having really put effort into a strength and conditioning program for the first time as a player, particularly in the offseason. Our S&C coach was interviewed as well. This was offered as an explanation for his resurgence. Of course, this goes both ways. I'd get more interested in lifting weights, etc. if I was doing a steroid run too. Just like people saying there are whispers. Of course there are when something crazy happens like this. There would be whispers if he were innocent. Allen Thomas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Sep 5, 2012 -> 04:26 PM) Allen Thomas Our Allen Thomas was interviewed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2nd_city_saint787 Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 If this were true there's no way it wouldn't be leaked by a real source by now. (I'm sure something along those lines have been said many times)... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenksismyhero Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 I'm hearing that he failed the test 2 weeks ago. There will be a press conference tomorrow where his suspension will be made official. Makes sense since they just brought up Gimenez. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitoMB345 Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Sep 5, 2012 -> 02:44 PM) I'm hearing that he failed the test 2 weeks ago. There will be a press conference tomorrow where his suspension will be made official. Makes sense since they just brought up Gimenez. Source? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunofgold Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 I heard a rumor that this isn't true. Made up by one of AJ's many enemies. It is hard to be the most hated player in baseball. Lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Sep 5, 2012 -> 09:44 PM) I'm hearing that he failed the test 2 weeks ago. There will be a press conference tomorrow where his suspension will be made official. Makes sense since they just brought up Gimenez. Not saying I don't believe you, but bringing up Gimenez would have happened no matter what due to the September callup deadline. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 QUOTE (fathom @ Sep 5, 2012 -> 04:56 PM) Not saying I don't believe you, but bringing up Gimenez would have happened no matter what due to the September callup deadline. and they needed a backup catcher for Flowers paternity leave. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justBLAZE Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Sep 5, 2012 -> 04:44 PM) I'm hearing that he failed the test 2 weeks ago. There will be a press conference tomorrow where his suspension will be made official. Makes sense since they just brought up Gimenez. If you're gonna come out and say this you should at least give us some kind of source. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Sep 5, 2012 -> 10:44 PM) I'm hearing that he failed the test 2 weeks ago. There will be a press conference tomorrow where his suspension will be made official. Makes sense since they just brought up Gimenez. Well, that's too bad. If this is true, I wonder if Selig would take the stance of making the Sox forfeit every game AJ hit a homer in after surpassing last year's HR total. If AJ did this, it definitely showed in his power numbers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 I dont think Ive ever seen Jenks just randomly throw s*** out there... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitoMB345 Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 QUOTE (greg775 @ Sep 5, 2012 -> 03:03 PM) Well, that's too bad. If this is true, I wonder if Selig would take the stance of making the Sox forfeit every game AJ hit a homer in after surpassing last year's HR total. If AJ did this, it definitely showed in his power numbers. Lol :lolhitting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 QUOTE (greg775 @ Sep 5, 2012 -> 05:03 PM) Well, that's too bad. If this is true, I wonder if Selig would take the stance of making the Sox forfeit every game AJ hit a homer in after surpassing last year's HR total. If AJ did this, it definitely showed in his power numbers. Don't worry greg, it's not the NCAA where they try to magically pretend like games never happened. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 QUOTE (TitoMB @ Sep 5, 2012 -> 11:06 PM) Lol :lolhitting I know he won't do it, cause he didn't do anything like that regarding Melky, but AJ's power surge this season was hugely dramatic. You gotta admit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Sep 5, 2012 -> 05:05 PM) I dont think Ive ever seen Jenks just randomly throw s*** out there... I dont think Ive ever seen him post in Pale Hose Talk before Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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