TitoMB345 Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 QUOTE (2nd_city_saint787 @ Sep 5, 2012 -> 03:48 PM) I find it strange that it would take weeks after the failed test to suspend them. You'd think once they found out he failed then the next game he should be out, why let a known PEDer go out there for another 2 weeks, esp. in the heat of a pennant race, before discipline? If its a sound testing system then he should be gone already. Because EVERYONE has the right to appeal, and they absolutely should. Tests can be mishandled, contaminated, etc. etc. If you take away the right of appeal, you take away any ounce of justice left. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 can we keep the thread about AJ please, hard to sift through page after page of quotefests for actual information, every time this thread gets bumped I'm hoping it's from actual information about this rumor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 QUOTE (2nd_city_saint787 @ Sep 5, 2012 -> 06:48 PM) I find it strange that it would take weeks after the failed test to suspend them. You'd think once they found out he failed then the next game he should be out, why let a known PEDer go out there for another 2 weeks, esp. in the heat of a pennant race, before discipline? If its a sound testing system then he should be gone already. MLB players are entitled to an appeal. This is the case for almost any suspension. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G&T Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 QUOTE (2nd_city_saint787 @ Sep 5, 2012 -> 05:48 PM) I find it strange that it would take weeks after the failed test to suspend them. You'd think once they found out he failed then the next game he should be out, why let a known PEDer go out there for another 2 weeks, esp. in the heat of a pennant race, before discipline? If its a sound testing system then he should be gone already. Â Because they have the ability to appeal. If the player wins and the team has lost games in the meantime, there would be hell to pay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justBLAZE Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 QUOTE (2nd_city_saint787 @ Sep 5, 2012 -> 05:48 PM) I find it strange that it would take weeks after the failed test to suspend them. You'd think once they found out he failed then the next game he should be out, why let a known PEDer go out there for another 2 weeks, esp. in the heat of a pennant race, before discipline? If its a sound testing system then he should be gone already. Â Appeal process takes time, it was the same way with Melky, even tho I'm not quit sure what they are trying to appeal? Are they testing sample B to confirm it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitoMB345 Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 QUOTE (Real @ Sep 5, 2012 -> 03:50 PM) can we keep the thread about AJ please, hard to sift through page after page of quotefests for actual information, every time this thread gets bumped I'm hoping it's from actual information about this rumor This is all relevant discussion. Anything big would amended to the title of the thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2nd_city_saint787 Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 QUOTE (TitoMB @ Sep 5, 2012 -> 05:50 PM) Because EVERYONE has the right to appeal, and they absolutely should. Tests can be mishandled, contaminated, etc. etc. If you take away the right of appeal, you take away any ounce of justice left. Â Yea, I guess I can see that. They should make it a fail free system then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 QUOTE (justBLAZE @ Sep 5, 2012 -> 06:52 PM) Appeal process takes time, it was the same way with Melky, even tho I'm not quit sure what they are trying to appeal? Are they testing sample B to confirm it? It also gives the player the chance to review the procedures, present a defense, etc. If a player actually did take something unwittingly and happened to have a sample of that for testing, it might be taken into account. If there were any irregularities in the testing procedure, the player should have the right to know about them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitoMB345 Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 QUOTE (2nd_city_saint787 @ Sep 5, 2012 -> 03:54 PM) Yea, I guess I can see that. They should make it a fail free system then. That is just not achievable. Humans make mistakes. Hell, it could even be as easy as misreading a test result. An appeal allows a dedicated and thorough review before any judgement is passed down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2nd_city_saint787 Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 QUOTE (TitoMB @ Sep 5, 2012 -> 05:55 PM) That is just not achievable. Humans make mistakes. Hell, it could even be as easy as misreading a test result. An appeal allows a dedicated and thorough review before any judgement is passed down. Â I don't know what all goes into such an appeal process but it probably shouldn't take 2 weeks IMO. Â Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cabiness42 Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 I'm hearing that he failed the test 2 weeks ago. There will be a press conference tomorrow where his suspension will be made official. Makes sense since they just brought up Gimenez.  (1) Appeal process takes longer than 2 weeks  (2) PED suspensions aren't announced at press conferences  (3) Every team brings up a 3rd catcher in September  If you're going to troll, learn to do it better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 QUOTE (2nd_city_saint787 @ Sep 5, 2012 -> 07:00 PM) I don't know what all goes into such an appeal process but it probably shouldn't take 2 weeks IMO. 2 weeks is probably rushing it, given that the player would have to have time to review the evidence and present any sort of defense, in addition to simply scheduling time with the arbitrator. If an extra test is done of a "B" sample or something like that, it would likely add even more time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South Side Fireworks Man Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 QUOTE (fathom @ Sep 5, 2012 -> 04:56 PM) Not saying I don't believe you, but bringing up Gimenez would have happened no matter what due to the September callup deadline. Gimenez was brought up because Flowers went on paternity leave. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 (edited) Is the press conference before or after the Bulls press conference announcing Lebron is coming to town. Wasn't he looking at property on the North Shore? Â Â Do teams have press conferences with PED suspensions? Isn't usually a statement "by" the offender written by his agent? Â Â Â BTW, Mark Gonzalez hears a lot of rumors that aren't true. Edited September 5, 2012 by Dick Allen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted September 5, 2012 Author Share Posted September 5, 2012 It's Gonzales, with an s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 QUOTE (2nd_city_saint787 @ Sep 5, 2012 -> 06:00 PM) I don't know what all goes into such an appeal process but it probably shouldn't take 2 weeks IMO. I would imagine it takes longer than 2 weeks. I had to take a drug test for work and that took 2 weeks. With a gathering of information and probably a re-test on some of the sample, plus the lawyers getting involved, it would seem to me it would take at least 4 weeks and probably more on an appeal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenksismyhero Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Sep 5, 2012 -> 05:40 PM) Me either which is why either he completely went out of character and threw something against the wall, or he randomly got some inside information and decided to share it in a way that could never be traced. Â I know guys that work at the ballpark. The rumors are more than swirling at this point there. I never said it was a fact, just what i heard from them. Â And lol at the troll label. Jesus people need to get a grip. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenksismyhero Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Sep 5, 2012 -> 06:00 PM) (1) Appeal process takes longer than 2 weeks (2) PED suspensions aren't announced at press conferences  (3) Every team brings up a 3rd catcher in September  If you're going to troll, learn to do it better.  Maybe hes not appealing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scenario Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Sep 5, 2012 -> 06:39 PM) Maybe hes not appealing  And maybe it's just a wild rumor.   Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Sep 5, 2012 -> 06:39 PM) Maybe hes not appealing If he's not appealing and he failed the drug test 2 weeks ago, it doesn't make much sense he's been playing. They wouldn't say, "oh you have an off day on Sept. 6th, that will be a convenient time to start your suspension". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenksismyhero Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Sep 5, 2012 -> 06:43 PM) If he's not appealing and he failed the drug test 2 weeks ago, it doesn't make much sense he's been playing. They wouldn't say, "oh you have an off day on Sept. 6th, that will be a convenient time to start your suspension". Â I'm sure there's a grace period where he can decide what he wants to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted September 5, 2012 Author Share Posted September 5, 2012 What's left to be said? Â The rumor is out there, and if something happens now, nobody will be surprised. Â Hope he's in the lineup Friday night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitoMB345 Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Sep 5, 2012 -> 04:43 PM) If he's not appealing and he failed the drug test 2 weeks ago, it doesn't make much sense he's been playing. They wouldn't say, "oh you have an off day on Sept. 6th, that will be a convenient time to start your suspension". Unless he has a 2 week window to DECIDE to appeal. I mean, his lawyer/agent might need time to look it over, and see if it's worth it to appeal. That could take time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South Side Fireworks Man Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Sep 5, 2012 -> 06:37 PM) I know guys that work at the ballpark. The rumors are more than swirling at this point there. I never said it was a fact, just what i heard from them. I'm sure the rumors are swirling around the ballpark after they've been posted on the two biggest Sox related message boards all day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 QUOTE (South Side Fireworks Man @ Sep 5, 2012 -> 11:47 PM) I'm sure the rumors are swirling around the ballpark after they've been posted on the two biggest Sox related message boards all day. Â Say they were to have a press conference tomorrow at the Cell (I know they're not typically announced at a press conference, but it doesn't mean KW can't hold one). If there was a press conference, maybe it's workers there trying to connect the dots?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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