ptatc Posted May 2, 2013 Share Posted May 2, 2013 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ May 2, 2013 -> 02:12 PM) Of all of the people that were pushed hard, Peavy was not one of them. Him and Sale both got lots of extra days off and skipped starts. They still pitched alot more innings than in the two previous years, as did Quintana. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cali Posted May 2, 2013 Share Posted May 2, 2013 QUOTE (Jerksticks @ May 2, 2013 -> 12:15 PM) Ugh Blah Puke Vomit post. I hate when hindsight is used like this. Yep, cause hindsight of past decisions by coaches and managers is NEVER used when analyzing any sports ever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted May 2, 2013 Share Posted May 2, 2013 QUOTE (Cali @ May 2, 2013 -> 02:17 PM) True, but both Sale and Quintana haven't look great so far this season. Q seems to get gassed around the fifth and Sale didn't look good to start the game yesterday, but manned up for sure to get 7 strong in there, but the velocity is inconsistent which could be a sign of too many innings. We won't really know until later in the season. Quintana has a better ERA and WHIP vs last year, along with better K/9, H/9, and BB/9. Sale had one really bad start, otherwise his numbers would be almost exactly what they were last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted May 2, 2013 Author Share Posted May 2, 2013 For some reason, a back spasm popping up in May seems unlikely to be caused by pitching too many innings during a season that ended 7 months prior. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted May 2, 2013 Share Posted May 2, 2013 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ May 2, 2013 -> 08:21 PM) For some reason, a back spasm popping up in May seems unlikely to be caused by pitching too many innings during a season that ended 7 months prior. Funny thing is that I wasn't even referring to Peavy's injury when I made the comment about guys being pushed so hard last season and the resulting impact you sometimes see the following year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted May 2, 2013 Share Posted May 2, 2013 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ May 2, 2013 -> 02:21 PM) For some reason, a back spasm popping up in May seems unlikely to be caused by pitching too many innings during a season that ended 7 months prior. Not to say that it is the reason but it could be. Ideally, you use your legs and back extensively when pitching. If issues occur elsewhere (arm, shoulder, legs) you can compensate for it and it could show up in the back. Just as with any of the other areas, you would like the stress to be in the bigger muscles of the back and legs. This is most likely not the case however it is worth watching if a pattern develops. I always watch someone who significantly increased their pitching load over the previous year. Not the "Verducci Effect" of young pitchers only but everyone. It doesn't always happen but it's a cause to watch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted May 2, 2013 Share Posted May 2, 2013 (edited) QUOTE (Cali @ May 2, 2013 -> 08:09 PM) Well pushing a young bullpen and young starters and almost never using the bench hurts and that's kind of on Robin. Cmon. I don't think the manager can be blamed for injuries. QUOTE (The Ultimate Champion @ May 2, 2013 -> 08:13 PM) Ozzie used his bench all the time and people hated it. He also let his starters stay in the learn, take their lumps, and he let his relievers face both sides of the plate and work 2-3 inning stints whether they had the ability to do it or not. People hated that too. Bottom line: bad team = put it on the manager, coaching staff, etc. Personally I think Robin has done just fine. No chicken stew when all you got is chicken poo. How true. People hated those things you mentioned about Ozzie, definitely, the Sunday lineup, etc. QUOTE (fathom @ May 2, 2013 -> 08:15 PM) Sale yes, but it seemed they pushed Peavy pretty hard last year. He was 5th in innings pitched. With that said, hopefully this is just a minor issue (I assume it is), and he'll be able to start again soon. Gavin's injury on the other hand..... Peavy pushed himself hard. He wanted to kill when it appeared he might be taken out of a game. That said, who knows? We do know that unless this is a fluke, back spasms are not good. For him to miss a start, wow, they must be really painful. Edited May 2, 2013 by greg775 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cali Posted May 2, 2013 Share Posted May 2, 2013 QUOTE (greg775 @ May 2, 2013 -> 12:27 PM) Cmon. I don't think the manager can be blamed for injuries. Tell that to Mark Prior. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted May 2, 2013 Author Share Posted May 2, 2013 QUOTE (fathom @ May 2, 2013 -> 02:24 PM) Funny thing is that I wasn't even referring to Peavy's injury when I made the comment about guys being pushed so hard last season and the resulting impact you sometimes see the following year. But who has an injury you can even remotely pin on playing too much last year? Floyd actually pitched fewer innings than any year he was in the White Sox rotation. Beckham broke a bone. Viciedo pulled an oblique. Sanchez and Keppinger weren't even White Sox. Danks injury certainly wasn't a result of Robin running him into the ground. Septimo hardly pitched for the White Sox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted May 2, 2013 Share Posted May 2, 2013 QUOTE (Cali @ May 2, 2013 -> 08:28 PM) Tell that to Mark Prior. Well, if this is overuse that people are implying with Peavy, that's also on Peavy. He demands to stay in games basically. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted May 2, 2013 Share Posted May 2, 2013 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ May 2, 2013 -> 08:29 PM) But who has an injury you can even remotely pin on playing too much last year? Floyd actually pitched fewer innings than any year he was in the White Sox rotation. Beckham broke a bone. Viciedo pulled an oblique. Sanchez and Keppinger weren't even White Sox. Danks injury certainly wasn't a result of Robin running him into the ground. Septimo hardly pitched for the White Sox. Facts. Nice job of supplying facts over myth. Who was fathom talking about then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted May 2, 2013 Share Posted May 2, 2013 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ May 2, 2013 -> 08:29 PM) But who has an injury you can even remotely pin on playing too much last year? Floyd actually pitched fewer innings than any year he was in the White Sox rotation. Beckham broke a bone. Viciedo pulled an oblique. Sanchez and Keppinger weren't even White Sox. Danks injury certainly wasn't a result of Robin running him into the ground. Septimo hardly pitched for the White Sox. They rushed Floyd back from his elbow injury big time last year. IIRC, they didn't even give him a rehab start prior to rushing him back to face the Tigers in a big game. If they weren't in contention, they probably would have shut him down for the year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted May 2, 2013 Share Posted May 2, 2013 QUOTE (Cali @ May 2, 2013 -> 08:28 PM) Tell that to Mark Prior. Or Josh Johnson-Joe Girardi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted May 2, 2013 Author Share Posted May 2, 2013 QUOTE (fathom @ May 2, 2013 -> 02:32 PM) They rushed Floyd back from his elbow injury big time last year. IIRC, they didn't even give him a rehab start prior to rushing him back to face the Tigers in a big game. If they weren't in contention, they probably would have shut him down for the year. If that's true, do you really think the final decision on that was Ventura's? Face it, this team thought his current injury was fairly minor 2 days agao. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted May 2, 2013 Share Posted May 2, 2013 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ May 2, 2013 -> 08:33 PM) If that's true, do you really think the final decision on that was Ventura's? Face it, this team thought his current injury was fairly minor 2 days agao. I never blamed it solely on Ventura. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted May 2, 2013 Share Posted May 2, 2013 QUOTE (IlliniKrush @ May 2, 2013 -> 02:11 PM) If Peavy had more TWTW he'd suck it up and pitch through it. If only. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted May 2, 2013 Share Posted May 2, 2013 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ May 2, 2013 -> 02:11 PM) *knocks on as much wood as possible* Wite-code for masturbating. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ginger Kid Posted May 2, 2013 Share Posted May 2, 2013 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ May 2, 2013 -> 11:55 AM) Wonderful. This season is going to be one of those years, isn't it. seems like it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ginger Kid Posted May 2, 2013 Share Posted May 2, 2013 QUOTE (fathom @ May 2, 2013 -> 12:32 PM) They rushed Floyd back from his elbow injury big time last year. IIRC, they didn't even give him a rehab start prior to rushing him back to face the Tigers in a big game. If they weren't in contention, they probably would have shut him down for the year. Given the Sox record of stellar health and having the fewest players hit the DL, I'm reluctant to second guess them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted May 2, 2013 Share Posted May 2, 2013 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ May 2, 2013 -> 01:55 PM) Wonderful. This season is going to be one of those years, isn't it. Might as well use up the injuries when the roster is awful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted May 2, 2013 Share Posted May 2, 2013 QUOTE (Steve9347 @ May 2, 2013 -> 02:43 PM) Might as well use up the injuries when the roster is awful. If it keeps up, a lot of people will get their wish for a selloff and sixty win baseball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted May 2, 2013 Share Posted May 2, 2013 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ May 2, 2013 -> 07:45 PM) If it keeps up, a lot of people will get their wish for a selloff and sixty win baseball. Yeah, but we don't want the injuries to be to the possible trade chips the Sox have. A Peavy long-term injury would be devastating for this organization. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted May 2, 2013 Share Posted May 2, 2013 QUOTE (fathom @ May 2, 2013 -> 02:46 PM) Yeah, but we don't want the injuries to be to the possible trade chips the Sox have. A Peavy long-term injury would be devastating for this organization. Exactly. Then no good comes from sucking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted May 2, 2013 Share Posted May 2, 2013 Who would have ever thought Floyd, Danks and Peavy would all be out in the same season? What is happening to baseball pitchers?? Are 10-year careers in the future going to be nonexistent? Are baseball pitchers careers going to be 4-5 year windows of excellence, then surgery, then mop up duty til nobody offers you a contract (unless you are a lefty?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted May 2, 2013 Share Posted May 2, 2013 QUOTE (greg775 @ May 2, 2013 -> 04:03 PM) Who would have ever thought Floyd, Danks and Peavy would all be out in the same season? What is happening to baseball pitchers?? Are 10-year careers in the future going to be nonexistent? Are baseball pitchers careers going to be 4-5 year windows of excellence, then surgery, then mop up duty til nobody offers you a contract (unless you are a lefty?) Peavy has been pulled from 1 start with back spasms. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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