Andy the Clown Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 Here's to 28 straight years of playoff-less baseball in KC. Careful, you're going to piss off Greg. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 The white sox starting rotation could be seven deep all winter. Danks is turning into a more efficient pitcher. This off season is going to be interesting. If they take a flyer on Floyd there are moves to make. Rienzo has a mentality you enjoy to watch, he battles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skooch Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Aug 21, 2013 -> 09:05 PM) Oh and welcome to Soxtalk !!! Thanks very much. Long time reader first time caller Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 QUOTE (bbilek1 @ Aug 22, 2013 -> 02:08 AM) Choo is terrible against LHP and is going to command big money. Yep, he's going to be an overpaid platoon player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy the Clown Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 Not really a fit. I would like bringing in Abreu and Crisp, teaching Viciedo how to play 1B and giving Semien a chance to win 3B in ST. LF - De Aza, Viciedo CF - Crisp, De Aza DH - Dunn, Viciedo 1B- Abreu, Viciedo, Dunn 5 players for 4 positions. If someone gets injured or we have a tough LHP on the mound we have options. I know I'll get ripped for having Viciedo on the bench but I am doubting his likelihood of becoming a middle of the order hitter. What about C? We have to do better than what we have currently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 I was at the game when garcia played center, he seemed to not track the ball off the bat really well. Kind of like Rios where he should be good out there but did not look comfortable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 QUOTE (Andy the Clown @ Aug 22, 2013 -> 03:10 AM) What about C? We have to do better than what we have currently. Ideally they sign Abreu and McCann and then use a starting pitcher to acquire a 3B. However, that only works if you're trying to compete in 2014. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy the Clown Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 Ideally they sign Abreu and McCann and then use a starting pitcher to acquire a 3B. However, that only works if you're trying to compete in 2014. I'd like to See the Sox do what you're suggesting. I don't want to see them go "all in" or anything like that, but the stellar starting pitching we have does have a window. I don't think we should punt 2014. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 QUOTE (Andy the Clown @ Aug 22, 2013 -> 03:16 AM) I'd like to See the Sox do what you're suggesting. I don't want to see them go "all in" or anything like that, but the stellar starting pitching we have does have a window. I don't think we should punt 2014. They could make those acquisitions and still be well under the payroll from this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 QUOTE (Andy the Clown @ Aug 21, 2013 -> 07:10 PM) What about C? We have to do better than what we have currently. Ideally the whole retool/rebuilt won't be done in one year ,unless the Sox find a taker for Dunn but I kind of like him for next year. Other issues can be addressed after he's gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrle>Wood Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 QUOTE (fathom @ Aug 22, 2013 -> 03:12 AM) Ideally they sign Abreu and McCann and then use a starting pitcher to acquire a 3B. However, that only works if you're trying to compete in 2014. I don't think you trade for a 3B if you sign both those guys (or sub Abreu for a quality 1Bman). Gillaspie/Semien/Keppinger should be fine there in the 9 hole, especially if Garcia and Viciedo turn into league average hitters. You keep the strength of the rotation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 It would be a bad idea to do anything but Viciedo-ADA-Garcia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 QUOTE (skooch @ Aug 21, 2013 -> 07:08 PM) Thanks very much. Long time reader first time caller You're not annoyed by the little kid yelling LET"S GO ROYALS , too ,are you ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrle>Wood Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 QUOTE (Jake @ Aug 22, 2013 -> 03:26 AM) It would be a bad idea to do anything but Viciedo-ADA-Garcia I wouldn't mind seeing their positions reversed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 QUOTE (Jake @ Aug 22, 2013 -> 03:26 AM) It would be a bad idea to do anything but Viciedo-ADA-Garcia Unless they get good value in a trade for Viciedo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 Also, Granderson has been really bad in CF for a while Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 QUOTE (Jake @ Aug 21, 2013 -> 10:26 PM) It would be a bad idea to do anything but Viciedo-ADA-Garcia I'd love to see an upgrade over De Aza. Never trusted him, never will. Work out some deal with Arizona for Quintana + something for 3B Matt Davidson and OF Eaton/Pollock/Parra. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrle>Wood Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 QUOTE (bbilek1 @ Aug 22, 2013 -> 03:33 AM) No way we sign McCann and Abreu and go into '14 with a 3-4-5 of Dunn-Abreu-McCann (in whatever order) Why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy the Clown Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 No way we sign McCann and Abreu and go into '14 with a 3-4-5 of Dunn-Abreu-McCann (in whatever order) That sounds pretty good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrle>Wood Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 We aren't trading Q or Santiago. I have no idea what everyone's obsession with doing so is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrle>Wood Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 QUOTE (bbilek1 @ Aug 22, 2013 -> 03:43 AM) All three are lefties. Sure, adding two of the most coveted free agents sounds good. Can anyone comment as to how McCann measures defensively? I really doubt we sign him. Abreu is a righty I thought Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 (edited) QUOTE (bbilek1 @ Aug 21, 2013 -> 07:40 PM) First and foremost I want Abreu. You have to add to the young core. Then we would need a defensive CF and a capable back up. Perhaps trade for a young 3B. Say Santiago to TOR for Lawrie and a decent prospect. I also love John Jaso out in Oakland but have no idea what his contract is like CF Crisp 2B Beckham 1B Abreu DH Dunn RF Garcia LF De Aza 3B Lawrie C Phegley/Jaso SS Alexei That way 6 of the 9 starters can still be a part of the future (Beck, Abreu, Garcia, De Aza, Lawrie and Phegley) while the placeholders (Crisp, Dunn, Alexei) will open the door for farm players that hopefully start and stay producing. Viciedo getting split time in LF, 1B and at DH with De Aza playing CF every once in a while. Obviously, the bullpen would need some work but I am not too worried about that. SP should be good. We pretty much agree but I'd rather trade DeAza , Tank, Rienzo or Eric Johnson for that CF and a defensive minded C who's can hit better than Phegley or Flowers, just who I haven't given it much thought yet. But would hate giving up on Phegs or Conor just yet or Viciedo for that matter. But somewhere somehow the Sox need bad D and bad baserunning gone and either DeAza or Viciedo ,Flowers or Phegs will be the ones to go. Strength up the middle prioritized. Edited August 22, 2013 by CaliSoxFanViaSWside Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skooch Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Aug 21, 2013 -> 09:27 PM) You're not annoyed by the little kid yelling LET"S GO ROYALS , too ,are you ? It has gotten much more annoying now that you've brought it to the front of my mind. Tvm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxfest Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 (edited) QUOTE (bbilek1 @ Aug 21, 2013 -> 09:08 PM) Choo is terrible against LHP and is going to command big money. He fills a hole at leadoff and yes he has struggled against LHP this year but hitting .331 against RHP. Sox got money to spend not really a issue. I like him better than Abreu. Edited August 22, 2013 by Soxfest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 QUOTE (bbilek1 @ Aug 21, 2013 -> 07:57 PM) I doubt we get the value in return for those guys that is worth the trade. As for the CF, sure, I would welcome a trade. I doubt there is a defensive minded catcher who hits well that is available. Do you have one in mind? Phegley I am not ready to give up on. Gillaspie his ceiling is so low that 3B should be a position where we try to develop a young and talented everyday player. Viciedo I am split on but am doubting. Johnson should be in the top 75 prospects next year. AFter his showing this year Rienzo would be sought after. Tank and DeAza both have pop and the steroid free era ( if there ever is one) will always want HR's and HR potential so some value is there. I'm not looking to finish the rebuild in one year. With our starting pitching another big bat like Abreu's and upgrades on D up the middle and limiting the bad baserunning would go a long way. I'll admit I'm higher on Conor than most ,like say a possible .270 BA with 10-15 HR's ,his walks and D he's serviceable at 3rd. Upgrade hitting and D a bit at C and see how it goes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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