Dunt Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 As I imagine it'll be a talking point for the rest of the offseason and many to come, Chris Sale's value cannot be overstated. Solid Grantland piece on this very topic: http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/100808...rankings-part-2 As you can see, their is only one pitcher rated ahead of Chris and that is Jose Fernandez. If the Sox were ever to trade him, it would really need to be for someones entire farm or someone along the lines of Manny Machado. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrle>Wood Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 I don't think I'd take a teams top ten prospects for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 Off the top of my head I think only Arizona has the over all combination of prospects the Sox would seek. Any talks would start with Bradley or most likely forget it. I'm sure others here can name some teams and their aspects but AZ is the one team that could be a realistic trade partner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
royoung Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 QUOTE (Dunt @ Dec 5, 2013 -> 03:43 PM) As I imagine it'll be a talking point for the rest of the offseason and many to come, Chris Sale's value cannot be overstated. Solid Grantland piece on this very topic: http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/100808...rankings-part-2 As you can see, their is only one pitcher rated ahead of Chris and that is Jose Fernandez. If the Sox were ever to trade him, it would really need to be for someones entire farm or someone along the lines of Manny Machado. Everybody has a price. You can pander all you want about "untouchable," but it just depends on the right package. I think the D'Backs could do it with Bradley as a centerpiece and others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 QUOTE (StRoostifer @ Dec 5, 2013 -> 04:18 PM) Off the top of my head I think only Arizona has the over all combination of prospects the Sox would seek. Any talks would start with Bradley or most likely forget it. I'm sure others here can name some teams and their aspects but AZ is the one team that could be a realistic trade partner. They have several top 100 prospects but they have Corbin, now, so they would be less interested in Sale (theoretically). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Dec 5, 2013 -> 04:20 PM) They have several top 100 prospects but they have Corbin, now, so they would be less interested in Sale (theoretically). I'm not so sure. The AZ gm said yesterday or the day before they are looking for a front line ace and Sale fits that description no doubt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 Here it is... http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2013/12/diam...de-for-ace.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heads22 Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 You only trade Chris Sale if you get someone who you think can be as good as Chris Sale. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 I'm only shipping Sale to AZ if we're getting AT LEAST Eaton, Davidson, Bradley, and we give up Dunn or Keppinger as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 As was discussed in another thread its not a move where your just replacing Sale ( thats a pointless move) as it is to get the right players in return that can fill multiple holes the Sox have. By no means am I saying we shop Sale, but if team calls about him you listen and let the team know it will take one hell of a haul to take Sale out of Chicago. Otherwise, happy holidays and thanks for calling, click. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigruss Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 QUOTE (Heads22 @ Dec 5, 2013 -> 04:40 PM) You only trade Chris Sale if you get someone who you think can be as good as Chris Sale. And then some. You don't trade a young cost controlled ace like Sale unless you're getting a package you believe will be better than Sale. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wanne Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 Bradley and Owings have to be in any deal IMO... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harfman77 Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Dec 5, 2013 -> 04:43 PM) I'm only shipping Sale to AZ if we're getting AT LEAST Eaton, Davidson, Bradley, and we give up Dunn or Keppinger as well. I think thats probably the starting point for the a deal. There are probably 5 teams that could give up what the Sox need to get back in value for Sale- the Cardinals, Rangers, Dbacks, Red Sox and possibly the Mariners. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 QUOTE (bigruss22 @ Dec 5, 2013 -> 04:54 PM) And then some. You don't trade a young cost controlled ace like Sale unless you're getting a package you believe will be better than Sale. That's just it. The Sox have to be a better team after the trade than before the trade or forget it. QUOTE (Wanne @ Dec 5, 2013 -> 04:57 PM) Bradley and Owings have to be in any deal IMO... Agreed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 How about to Mariners for Walker, Franklin and others? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harfman77 Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 QUOTE (Heads22 @ Dec 5, 2013 -> 04:40 PM) You only trade Chris Sale if you get someone who you think can be as good as Chris Sale. It doesn't need to be some one, it has to be a collective that will win you more games than you will win just by having Sale pitch every five days. I would think the price would be three ML ready prospects with upside plus a couple high upside guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harfman77 Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 QUOTE (fathom @ Dec 5, 2013 -> 05:00 PM) How about to Mariners for Walker, Franklin and others? I think the Mariners packages would have to be Walker, Seager, Paxton, and then something like Tyler Marlette. Also could do a change of scenery swap of Beckham and Ackley in the deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ Dec 6, 2013 -> 12:03 AM) I think the Mariners packages would have to be Walker, Seager, Paxton, and then something like Tyler Marlette. Also could do a change of scenery swap of Beckham and Ackley in the deal. If you get them to include Walker and Seager, with other high-end guys involved, then you absolutely have to consider that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ Dec 5, 2013 -> 05:02 PM) It doesn't need to be some one, it has to be a collective that will win you more games than you will win just by having Sale pitch every five days. I would think the price would be three ML ready prospects with upside plus a couple high upside guys. That's exactly what I'm saying. Its pointless otherwise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 How does Samardzija get involved in any conversation in which getting an ace is the team's priority. David Price or Jeff Samardzija.......ok Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ Dec 5, 2013 -> 05:03 PM) I think the Mariners packages would have to be Walker, Seager, Paxton, and then something like Tyler Marlette. Also could do a change of scenery swap of Beckham and Ackley in the deal. Let's take Jesus Montero, too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 6, 2013 Share Posted December 6, 2013 QUOTE (Harry Chappas @ Dec 6, 2013 -> 12:09 AM) How does Samardzija get involved in any conversation in which getting an ace is the team's priority. David Price or Jeff Samardzija.......ok No doubt in my mind that Samardzija is the most overrated player in baseball Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted December 6, 2013 Share Posted December 6, 2013 QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Dec 5, 2013 -> 05:14 PM) Let's take Jesus Montero, too His career behind the plate is ova. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted December 6, 2013 Share Posted December 6, 2013 QUOTE (ChiSox59 @ Dec 5, 2013 -> 07:07 PM) His career behind the plate is ova. Then maybe he can DH once Konerko and Dunn are gone next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted December 6, 2013 Share Posted December 6, 2013 Why is his career behind the plate over? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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