2nd_city_saint787 Posted December 9, 2013 Share Posted December 9, 2013 I think Quintana can be every bit as good as late 05/early 06 Contreras. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted December 9, 2013 Share Posted December 9, 2013 (edited) f*** this team if they trade Sale. He's the best player we've drafted/had since 35. He's a top 3 pitcher in baseball, or at least the AL, going forward. You don't hear the Nationals trying to trade Strasburg. And Sale has been just as good if not better. Edited December 9, 2013 by Jordan4life Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 9, 2013 Share Posted December 9, 2013 QUOTE (scs787 @ Dec 9, 2013 -> 12:58 PM) I think Quintana can be every bit as good as late 05/early 06 Contreras. No. Never. Quintana has nothing like Contreras' movement on his best pitch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted December 9, 2013 Share Posted December 9, 2013 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Dec 9, 2013 -> 12:58 PM) f*** this team if they trade Sale. He's the best player we've drafted/had since 35. He's a top 3 pitcher in baseball, or at least the AL, going forward. You don't hear the National trying to trade Strasburg. And Sale has been just as good if not better. True, but the Nationals don't suck big ol' donkey dick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted December 9, 2013 Share Posted December 9, 2013 QUOTE (southside hitman @ Dec 9, 2013 -> 09:54 AM) Bob Nightengale @BNightengale 1m Jerry Reinsdorf on #Whitesox rumors re Chris Sale: "I've only had 1 player in my 33 years who couldn't be traded. He played basketball. This made me laugh. First off losing Sale would really suck, but not five year suck. The right trade also has the opportunity to move up the team's return. Because there are a couple really nice lists of players that would be nice in return, I won't go there. I would like to mention if a team really does want Sale, Sale needs a teammate to go with him. A big teammate. Perhaps Dunn and all his contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted December 9, 2013 Share Posted December 9, 2013 QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Dec 9, 2013 -> 12:59 PM) True, but the Nationals don't suck big ol' donkey dick. I'm all about getting better. But not at the expense of a legitimate 24-year old superstar ace. You know the sox will f*** it up if they dealt him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted December 9, 2013 Share Posted December 9, 2013 QUOTE (Tex @ Dec 9, 2013 -> 01:00 PM) This made me laugh. First off losing Sale would really suck, but not five year suck. The right trade also has the opportunity to move up the team's return. Because there are a couple really nice lists of players that would be nice in return, I won't go there. I would like to mention if a team really does want Sale, Sale needs a teammate to go with him. A big teammate. Perhaps Dunn and all his contract. The last part here is a really good point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted December 9, 2013 Share Posted December 9, 2013 If the Sox were to trade Sale for a whole bunch of prospects, doesn't that kind of make the Abreu signing pointless? Not that they are competing this year, but that pretty much sets back the clock at least 4 years guaranteed. Suddenly Abreu is 30 and his contract is almost up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted December 9, 2013 Share Posted December 9, 2013 Someone who is making a case for a four or five year set back kindly expand their point? There are multiple holes in this team. How will losing your Ace while potentially filling two or three holes set you back five years? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2nd_city_saint787 Posted December 9, 2013 Share Posted December 9, 2013 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 9, 2013 -> 01:59 PM) No. Never. Quintana has nothing like Contreras' movement on his best pitch. Numbers wise they're already comparable and Q has room to grow. The first half of 06 you guys are touting Count had a 3.38 ERA, Q in the 2nd half had a 3.21. I know that's cherry picking and mismatching a bit, but I think it's somewhat valid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sircaffey Posted December 9, 2013 Share Posted December 9, 2013 I'm curious as to when people actually see the White Sox as realistic playoff contenders? Personally, I think it's years away. At which point Sale has 2, maybe 3 years left on his current deal. Are the Sox really going to hand out a $200 million contract to him at the end of this one? Realistically, I think we're looking at 1 playoff appearance during Sale's current contract. And likely not keeping him after. I can understand the unrest at the idea of trading him, but I really don't think the organization is "risking" much by trading him. At least, in my opinion, the risk is far less than the potential upside impact on the organization. I will say, I think next year after seeing how Abreu and Garcia develop or don't develop, would be a better time to consider trading Sale. But I have no issue with it now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted December 9, 2013 Share Posted December 9, 2013 I guess to me being an ace is not a state of being. You either are one or you aren't. You might be able to impersonate one for 35 starts, but it becomes quite clear over your career whether or not you are one. We have always known that Chris is an ace. Before he had ever pitched like one, we knew that was what we had. Jose Quintana could go 22-2 next season with a 2.8 ERA and we will still know that he is not an ace. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 9, 2013 Share Posted December 9, 2013 QUOTE (scs787 @ Dec 9, 2013 -> 01:05 PM) Numbers wise they're already comparable and Q has room to grow. The first half of 06 you guys are touting Count had a 3.38 ERA, Q in the 2nd half had a 3.21. I know that's cherry picking and mismatching a bit, but I think it's somewhat valid. Don't just comp the era's. Pitching in 05 was a lot different than pitching now with the steroid era in full swing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted December 9, 2013 Share Posted December 9, 2013 Also, by no means does trading Sale automatically make us unable to compete in the near term. It's a big hit to the pitching staff, certainly, but it's one guy. He plays every five days. We'd be able to make it, especially given that we'd probably receive a player with similar potential in return. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2nd_city_saint787 Posted December 9, 2013 Share Posted December 9, 2013 QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Dec 9, 2013 -> 02:03 PM) If the Sox were to trade Sale for a whole bunch of prospects, doesn't that kind of make the Abreu signing pointless? Not that they are competing this year, but that pretty much sets back the clock at least 4 years guaranteed. Suddenly Abreu is 30 and his contract is almost up. Not if you're getting 3-4 pieces who are already major league ready....They aren't trading Sale for a bunch of guys who are years away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted December 9, 2013 Share Posted December 9, 2013 QUOTE (Jake @ Dec 9, 2013 -> 01:08 PM) I guess to me being an ace is not a state of being. You either are one or you aren't. You might be able to impersonate one for 35 starts, but it becomes quite clear over your career whether or not you are one. We have always known that Chris is an ace. Before he had ever pitched like one, we knew that was what we had. Jose Quintana could go 22-2 next season with a 2.8 ERA and we will still know that he is not an ace. Hard to say with Contreras. By all accounts in his Cuban years he was every bit an ace, which is why the Yankees backed up the cash truck when his Contreras defected. What we saw looked like an ace. Your opinion is that he is just a good pitcher that got hot, but he pitched the part of an ace for that team. He wasnt just a really good 2 or 3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harfman77 Posted December 9, 2013 Share Posted December 9, 2013 QUOTE (Tex @ Dec 9, 2013 -> 01:04 PM) Someone who is making a case for a four or five year set back kindly expand their point? There are multiple holes in this team. How will losing your Ace while potentially filling two or three holes set you back five years? I agree, if anything it moves your timetable up so you are ready to contend in '15 and possibly as early as this season. Keeping Sale pushes your time frame back as you have to wait to develop players to fill the holes on the roster, and by the time they are all in place, your SP's are entering FA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted December 9, 2013 Share Posted December 9, 2013 QUOTE (scs787 @ Dec 9, 2013 -> 01:05 PM) Numbers wise they're already comparable and Q has room to grow. The first half of 06 you guys are touting Count had a 3.38 ERA, Q in the 2nd half had a 3.21. I know that's cherry picking and mismatching a bit, but I think it's somewhat valid. He was dominating until he hurt himself, i believe he hurt his back in June. Look at his splits in April/May, then in June is when he got hurt. He was dealing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted December 9, 2013 Share Posted December 9, 2013 QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ Dec 9, 2013 -> 01:11 PM) I agree, if anything it moves your timetable up so you are ready to contend in '15 and possibly as early as this season. Keeping Sale pushes your time frame back as you have to wait to develop players to fill the holes on the roster, and by the time they are all in place, your SP's are entering FA. Exactly and were talking about developing players from a weak farm at that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2nd_city_saint787 Posted December 9, 2013 Share Posted December 9, 2013 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 9, 2013 -> 02:08 PM) Don't just comp the era's. Pitching in 05 was a lot different than pitching now with the steroid era in full swing. Fair enough. Q had the 25th highest WAR among pitchers so doesn't that "technically" make him a #1 starter? As I said before I also think he has room to grow as well. I could see him putting up that 3.21 era he did in the 2nd half for a whole year next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted December 9, 2013 Share Posted December 9, 2013 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 9, 2013 -> 12:50 PM) Jeff Passan @JeffPassan 51m In order to trade Chris Sale, sources say, White Sox would be looking for a package much bigger than what David Price is expected to get. Well of course. Sale has way more years of control and is MUCH cheaper. Did I mention that he's better? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donny Lucy's Avocado Farm Posted December 9, 2013 Share Posted December 9, 2013 Someone replied to Passan's tweet about the price tag for Chris Sale being higher than David Price with "So what you are saying is Sale is more expensive than regular Price?" yuck yuck yuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGajewski18 Posted December 9, 2013 Share Posted December 9, 2013 Towers just said only untouchables are Goldschmidt and Corbin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted December 9, 2013 Share Posted December 9, 2013 QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Dec 9, 2013 -> 01:27 PM) Towers just said only untouchables are Goldschmidt and Corbin Sounds like Hahn and Towers both have changed their tunes. Stay tuned, the rumors could become even more interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted December 9, 2013 Share Posted December 9, 2013 QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Dec 9, 2013 -> 01:27 PM) Towers just said only untouchables are Goldschmidt and Corbin Sale & Abreu for Goldschmidt & Corbin? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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