hammerhead johnson Posted December 19, 2013 Share Posted December 19, 2013 Solid. This dude doesn't give up home runs. He allowed only one in 2013 (to Derek Norris, of all people). And while it's rarely ever advisable to have a left-hander closing games, he could still be good for 5-to-10 saves, depending on matchups. Damn good value for only 4 million. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waygodai Posted December 19, 2013 Share Posted December 19, 2013 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 19, 2013 -> 12:18 PM) Phil Rogers @philgrogers 2m White Sox's signing of Scott Downs speaks to the organization's belief that 2013 was an anomaly. They EXPECT 20-win improvement. that’s what I’ve been trying to say haha. No way 2013 was “99 loss” bad. I mean, it was AND it wasn’t...…if that makes any sense. Baseball can be weird like that: seasonal outliers triggering cascading/down-spiraling effect. Sox management seems to agree with us optimists. Good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted December 19, 2013 Author Share Posted December 19, 2013 QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Dec 19, 2013 -> 02:06 PM) So not a vesting option? Even better if so. I think the vesting portion is still there, but if he doesn't reach the innings/games pitched level to vest, the Sox can still pick it up, or pay him 250K. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted December 19, 2013 Share Posted December 19, 2013 Im just glad the Sox dont have to face him anymore. It didnt matter the situation, he would just come in and induce a few easy grounders and maybe a K and it was over Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted December 19, 2013 Share Posted December 19, 2013 (edited) QUOTE (Andy the Clown @ Dec 19, 2013 -> 11:27 AM) Bullpen or positional player? I guess while I was driving this was answered. However I still think they have one more pen guy for the mix and most likely still looking to deal a player or two. I still cant believe we havent gotten a vet bat for the IF. Edited December 19, 2013 by RockRaines Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILMOU Posted December 19, 2013 Share Posted December 19, 2013 (edited) QUOTE (Baron @ Dec 19, 2013 -> 12:52 PM) Yeah I agree with this. Not a fan of Veal....would rather go with someone else(not that there are many options). I'd agree if I had any confidence in Leesman or SantRod. Heck, I've been following Santos religiously ever since the Javy trade. His horrible adjustment to AAA, after finally showing a tiny semblance of control in AA, has me worried that he'll never throw strikes consistently enough. Needs to happen soon for him. Edited December 19, 2013 by Stan Bahnsen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Posted December 19, 2013 Share Posted December 19, 2013 QUOTE (Stan Bahnsen @ Dec 19, 2013 -> 02:39 PM) I'd agree if I had any confidence in Leesman or SantRod. Heck, I've been following Santos religiously ever since the Javy trade. His horrible adjustment to AAA, after finally showing a tiny semblance of control in AA, has me worried that he'll never throw strikes consistently enough. Needs to happen soon for him. That's what I was getting at....not many options. But there are a few in the free agent market. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted December 19, 2013 Share Posted December 19, 2013 QUOTE (Waygodai @ Dec 19, 2013 -> 02:33 PM) that’s what I’ve been trying to say haha. No way 2013 was “99 loss” bad. I mean, it was AND it wasn’t...…if that makes any sense. Baseball can be weird like that: seasonal outliers triggering cascading/down-spiraling effect. Sox management seems to agree with us optimists. Good. Well they agree, but they are acknowledging that the team was deeply flawed. There is no other reason why they'd export 5-8 significant players with a few other heads on the chopping block. I mean, we're talking about Dunn, De Aza, Viciedo, Beckham, Keppinger, Gillaspie, Flowers, Phegley, Ramirez, and (John)Danks that people have suggested getting rid of and finding an upgrade on at one time or another. That's almost the remainder of the roster. The Sox realize that they can be competitive next year, but that they needed to get young and re-develop or, rather, re-establish the foundation of the team. If they are anything more than a .500 team - I will be the first to acknowledge it is very possible - I will be pleasantly surprised. Basically, I handicap there odds of certain milestones as such: 100+ wins: 1% 95-99 wins: 3% 90-94 wins: 6% 85-89 wins: 10% 80-84 wins: 10% 75-79 wins: 25% 70-74 wins: 25% 65-69 wins: 15% 60-64 wins: 4.5% Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILMOU Posted December 19, 2013 Share Posted December 19, 2013 (edited) QUOTE (Baron @ Dec 19, 2013 -> 01:43 PM) That's what I was getting at....not many options. But there are a few in the free agent market. I'm guessing this our last pitching expenditure for the offseason, barring a possible coming-off-injury cheapie flyer on a starter. But who knows? O'Flaherty is still out there, I think, unless I missed something. I don't want to give Crazy Boone Logan Money to anyone, though! Edited December 19, 2013 by Stan Bahnsen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted December 19, 2013 Share Posted December 19, 2013 Solid. I had said before, bullpen-wise, the left side was the only remaining concern. Downs+Veal is OK, though I'd bet the Sox invite a handful of scrappers to ST and have a contest with Veal and Santos Rodriguez for that 2nd lefty slot. I highly doubt they spend this kind of money on another FA. Right side looks fine, I see no reason to acquire a vet reliever on that side. Jones, Lindstrom, Webb, Bellisario, Petricka/Rienzo looks great to me. Young yes, but this whole team is geared towards going younger, and I don't mind the auditions while the likes of Taylor Thompson and Brad Goldberg (and maybe Chris Bassitt) polish their stuff. Really at this point, the team just needs to find a way to get value for one of Viciedo/De Aza (preferably De Aza), and one or two of Beckham/Gillaspie/Keppinger (won't get much, but need to cut back by one or two guys there). And improve at catcher. No other needs stand out to me, for what they are trying to do with this team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted December 19, 2013 Share Posted December 19, 2013 QUOTE (Stan Bahnsen @ Dec 19, 2013 -> 02:50 PM) I'm guessing this our last pitching expenditure for the offseason, barring a possible coming-off-injury cheapie flyer on a starter. But who knows? O'Flaherty is still out there, I think, unless I missed something. I don't want to give Crazy Boone Logan Money to anyone, though! The Sox aren't afraid to give out those sorts of contracts, but they do so sparingly and to a certain type of pitcher. They have never really believed in the idea of a LOOGY, though they have used relievers in that situation at times. There is also no one who is of the quality that would require that type of contract at the moment either. I would not worry about that one bit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILMOU Posted December 19, 2013 Share Posted December 19, 2013 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Dec 19, 2013 -> 01:36 PM) I guess while I was driving this was answered. However I still think they have one more pen guy for the mix and most likely still looking to deal a player or two. I still cant believe we havent gotten a vet bat for the IF. Curious as to what you have in mind here, Rock. Do you think the possibility of a no-hit utility guy like Leury is hugely unattractive to them, or are you talking about a hitting upgrade at 2nd or SS, combined with a trade, or are you talking about a 3rd base placeholder if Davidson isn't ready? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted December 19, 2013 Share Posted December 19, 2013 QUOTE (Stan Bahnsen @ Dec 19, 2013 -> 02:56 PM) Curious as to what you have in mind here, Rock. Do you think the possibility of a no-hit utility guy like Leury is hugely unattractive to them, or are you talking about a hitting upgrade at 2nd or SS, combined with a trade, or are you talking about a 3rd base placeholder if Davidson isn't ready? I thought for sure we were going to acquire a veteran MI bat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 19, 2013 Share Posted December 19, 2013 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Dec 19, 2013 -> 03:19 PM) I thought for sure we were going to acquire a veteran MI bat. You thought, or you heard? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted December 19, 2013 Share Posted December 19, 2013 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Dec 19, 2013 -> 03:19 PM) I thought for sure we were going to acquire a veteran MI bat. That makes no sense to me. I mean, I guess if you can get rid of two of Gillaspinger/Beckham, then you can pick up a LHH utility IF. But I would rather just use Leury Garcia (switch hitter) for that purpose, or someone cheap. I don't get the need. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted December 19, 2013 Share Posted December 19, 2013 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Dec 19, 2013 -> 03:19 PM) I thought for sure we were going to acquire a veteran MI bat. Doesn't seem to be a real need for this team, in all honesty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrle>Wood Posted December 19, 2013 Share Posted December 19, 2013 Leury Garcia is awful but yeah our bench doesnt need to be a priority Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted December 19, 2013 Share Posted December 19, 2013 This is exactly what we needed. Perfect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted December 19, 2013 Share Posted December 19, 2013 (edited) QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Dec 19, 2013 -> 03:38 PM) That makes no sense to me. I mean, I guess if you can get rid of two of Gillaspinger/Beckham, then you can pick up a LHH utility IF. But I would rather just use Leury Garcia (switch hitter) for that purpose, or someone cheap. I don't get the need. I was under the impression one of our MI would be gone replaced with a vet. This was before the whole Davidson thing went down though. Edited December 19, 2013 by RockRaines Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunt Posted December 19, 2013 Share Posted December 19, 2013 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Dec 19, 2013 -> 04:40 PM) I was under the impression one of our MI would be gone replaced with a vet. This was before the whole Davidson thing went down though. Fingers crossed he still is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigEdWalsh Posted December 19, 2013 Share Posted December 19, 2013 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Dec 19, 2013 -> 09:48 AM) This is a good move. I'm Down with this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted December 20, 2013 Share Posted December 20, 2013 QUOTE (BigEdWalsh @ Dec 19, 2013 -> 05:20 PM) I'm Down with this. lolololololololololololololol NO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted December 20, 2013 Share Posted December 20, 2013 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Dec 19, 2013 -> 02:36 PM) I guess while I was driving this was answered. However I still think they have one more pen guy for the mix and most likely still looking to deal a player or two. I still cant believe we havent gotten a vet bat for the IF. People are really, really down on this guy, but I'd love to have Brandon Phillips play 2B for us. Oh my defense would that be good up the middle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2nd_city_saint787 Posted December 20, 2013 Share Posted December 20, 2013 QUOTE (Jake @ Dec 19, 2013 -> 08:09 PM) People are really, really down on this guy, but I'd love to have Brandon Phillips play 2B for us. Oh my defense would that be good up the middle. I'm on board with this if it they don't have to give up too much. Between he, Eaton, and Davidson's hair that's a lot of energy injected into a lifeless 2013 team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted December 20, 2013 Share Posted December 20, 2013 (edited) Pretty cool I heard about this yesterday morning before the news broke. (was told to keep it under wraps until..) If anyone doesn't know, I use to work with Down's cousin a couple years back and he gave me a heads up text as he is back down in Louisville. Very cool. Edited December 20, 2013 by SoxAce Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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