BlackSox13 Posted November 1, 2014 Share Posted November 1, 2014 Oh boy does this have the potential to be messy! "Yet, even if baseball could prove that tampering occurred, what type of penalty would even be appropriate? This is where it gets interesting. The Rays could claim that the Cubs’ actions caused Maddon to opt out — and demand a player as compensation. A good player, too, considering that the Cubs value Maddon enough to give him what is certain to be a monster contract. Think Javier Baez. Or Addison Russell." http://www.foxsports.com/mlb/story/joe-mad...-with-it-103114 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 3, 2014 Share Posted November 3, 2014 Jim Bowden @JimBowden_ESPN 2m2 minutes ago Joe Maddon’s 5-year $25 million dollar deal with the Cubs is also loaded with incentive bonuses and an opt clause according to a club source Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpd9189 Posted November 3, 2014 Share Posted November 3, 2014 QUOTE (StRoostifer @ Oct 31, 2014 -> 08:37 PM) Oh boy does this have the potential to be messy! "Yet, even if baseball could prove that tampering occurred, what type of penalty would even be appropriate? This is where it gets interesting. The Rays could claim that the Cubs’ actions caused Maddon to opt out — and demand a player as compensation. A good player, too, considering that the Cubs value Maddon enough to give him what is certain to be a monster contract. Think Javier Baez. Or Addison Russell." http://www.foxsports.com/mlb/story/joe-mad...-with-it-103114 Rosenthal loves those website hits, eh? There's a better chance of Jesus joining your for dinner tonight then that happening. This is nothing but sour grapes from the Rays and Maddon had an opt out clause and they were caught off guard that he used it. I don't think it has anything to do with the Cubs, they'd have been pissed regardless of where he went (Cubs, White Sox, Mets, Dodgers, etc). They lost a top GM and top manager in a matter of 2-3 weeks, they don't have the up and coming talent they once did and there has been no progress of a new stadium deal to keep the team in Tampa. Dark days ahead for the Rays. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted November 3, 2014 Share Posted November 3, 2014 QUOTE (dpd9189 @ Nov 3, 2014 -> 12:43 PM) Rosenthal loves those website hits, eh? There's a better chance of Jesus joining your for dinner tonight then that happening. This is nothing but sour grapes from the Rays and Maddon had an opt out clause and they were caught off guard that he used it. I don't think it has anything to do with the Cubs, they'd have been pissed regardless of where he went (Cubs, White Sox, Mets, Dodgers, etc). They lost a top GM and top manager in a matter of 2-3 weeks, they don't have the up and coming talent they once did and there has been no progress of a new stadium deal to keep the team in Tampa. Dark days ahead for the Rays. Won't happen but man it'd be hysterical if the Rays somehow got Bryant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGajewski18 Posted November 3, 2014 Share Posted November 3, 2014 QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Nov 3, 2014 -> 01:06 PM) Won't happen but man it'd be hysterical if the Rays somehow got Bryant. I think it'd be hysterical if they got Russell, Almora, Baez or Edwards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted November 3, 2014 Share Posted November 3, 2014 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 3, 2014 -> 07:38 PM) Jim Bowden @JimBowden_ESPN 2m2 minutes ago Joe Maddon’s 5-year $25 million dollar deal with the Cubs is also loaded with incentive bonuses and an opt clause according to a club source Five million a year is not that much really. College basketball coaches at the elite programs are making as much or more than that. Ditto college football. And this is the pros, the national pastime. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted November 3, 2014 Share Posted November 3, 2014 QUOTE (greg775 @ Nov 3, 2014 -> 02:57 PM) Five million a year is not that much really. College basketball coaches at the elite programs are making as much or more than that. Ditto college football. And this is the pros, the national pastime. Yeah but the college market is rigged since the players don't get paid for the money they generate. at the professional level they do, so that's $25 million that can't go to players. In college, that $25 million would just be money spent on something wasteful like education. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted November 3, 2014 Share Posted November 3, 2014 (edited) Maddon knows his s***. Good hire. Edited November 3, 2014 by flavum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted November 3, 2014 Share Posted November 3, 2014 QUOTE (flavum @ Nov 3, 2014 -> 02:20 PM) Maddon knows his s***. Good hire. If he wins the World Series, he will have the city eating out the palm of his hand. A lot of people already are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunt Posted November 3, 2014 Share Posted November 3, 2014 QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Nov 3, 2014 -> 04:02 PM) If he wins the World Series, he will have the city eating out the palm of his hand. A lot of people already are. It's incredibly annoying already. I cant even count how many times I've heard him referred to as the best manager in baseball in the last week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted November 3, 2014 Share Posted November 3, 2014 QUOTE (Dunt @ Nov 3, 2014 -> 03:14 PM) It's incredibly annoying already. I cant even count how many times I've heard him referred to as the best manager in baseball in the last week. If I could have any manager in baseball, it would be Joe Maddon. That being said, I still realize how little influence managers have. They basically acquired the best bench player in baseball. Yeah, he's the best at what he does, but what he does is pretty small in the grand scheme of things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunt Posted November 3, 2014 Share Posted November 3, 2014 QUOTE (Chilihead90 @ Nov 3, 2014 -> 04:22 PM) If I could have any manager in baseball, it would be Joe Maddon. That being said, I still realize how little influence managers have. They basically acquired the best bench player in baseball. Yeah, he's the best at what he does, but what he does is pretty small in the grand scheme of things. I'll take Bochy over him personally. He's a top 5, but I have a hard time saying he's the best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunt Posted November 3, 2014 Share Posted November 3, 2014 QUOTE (raBBit @ Nov 3, 2014 -> 04:59 PM) It'll be interesting to see the Cubs 2015 parade route compared to the Sox 2005 parade. They have parades for being slightly above .500 now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTruth05 Posted November 3, 2014 Share Posted November 3, 2014 QUOTE (raBBit @ Nov 3, 2014 -> 04:11 PM) Didn't you hear they signed John Madden? BOOM! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted November 3, 2014 Share Posted November 3, 2014 QUOTE (Dunt @ Nov 3, 2014 -> 04:10 PM) I'll take Bochy over him personally. He's a top 5, but I have a hard time saying he's the best. Right now it is Bochy and then the rest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted November 4, 2014 Share Posted November 4, 2014 (edited) http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/mlb-big-leag...-185956282.html Maddon went back to Ray with counter-offer but they weren't willing to make him one of the five highest paid managers in baseball...were willing to increase from $1.8 to $3 million. According to this article, Scioscia, Girardi, Francona and Showalter ($2.6-2.9 million) were the four highest paid managers in 2014, with Maddon fifth (somehow) and Mattingly 6th. Not sure what other managers would be #4-5 in 2015 that Maddon and his agent are saying he wouldn't have been paid in the TOP FIVE with a $3 million salary. http://wallstcheatsheet.com/sports/the-6-h...html/?a=viewall Leyland and Dusty Baker were in the $3-3.5 million range...Torre was making $7.5 million per season with the Yankees before he retired. Edited November 4, 2014 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Middle Buffalo Posted November 4, 2014 Share Posted November 4, 2014 QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Oct 31, 2014 -> 04:51 PM) It's obviously everywhere because it's the Cubs but it'd get a lot of play if the White Sox did it. For sure it would. Many shows in town on radio would cover it. I didn't say it wouldn't be covered. If the Sox made this move, it would have been reported, that's it. Waddle & Silvy devoted the first two hours of Fridays show (while they were at the UC for Bulls/Cavs) to Joe Maddon coverage. Monday started with the press conference and Joe Maddon ball washing for a good portion of the remaining show. It may turn out to be a great move. It's a move they had to make. If the Sox did it, it would be a blip in media coverage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 4, 2014 Share Posted November 4, 2014 QUOTE (Middle Buffalo @ Nov 4, 2014 -> 12:37 PM) I didn't say it wouldn't be covered. If the Sox made this move, it would have been reported, that's it. Waddle & Silvy devoted the first two hours of Fridays show (while they were at the UC for Bulls/Cavs) to Joe Maddon coverage. Monday started with the press conference and Joe Maddon ball washing for a good portion of the remaining show. It may turn out to be a great move. It's a move they had to make. If the Sox did it, it would be a blip in media coverage. Sox fans need to get over the inferiority complex. There are WAY more Cub fans out there. Those Cub fans buy WAY more tickets and merchandise than Sox fans do. Of course the Cubs get more coverage. It is the same reason that teams like Boston and NYY get talked about ad naseum. They have assloads more fans than we do. It isn't about the team, it is about the money to be made off of the team. They may well have talked about the Cubs for two hours, and that is solely because Cub fans are calling and listening to every second they can absorb about Maddon right now. Even if they talked Sox right now, no one would listen when compared to how many Cub fans would listen to more stuff about them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iwritecode Posted November 4, 2014 Share Posted November 4, 2014 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Oct 31, 2014 -> 07:42 AM) http://www.bleachernation.com/2014/10/30/t...ering-troubles/ Unlikely that a player would go to the Rays...as this possible tampering situation is MUCH under much different circumstances So, he refused the extension – citing in part the desire to see what his value was on the open market because he and his agent knew it was high, wherever he went – and opted out. Lots of job offers came in immediately. If the Cubs were the best one and it happened quickly because they had to resolve things with their current manager, that doesn’t prove anything. Maybe someone else did but I didn't hear of a single other team offering Maddon a job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 Joel Sherman @Joelsherman1 50m50 minutes ago MLB Department of Investigation, same group that looked into A-Rod, are investigating tampering charges #Cubs #Rays Very difficult to prove tampering charges but heard #Rays execs were furious how Maddon exited insisted that MLB look into this #Cubs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whtsoxfan Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 MLB investigating Cubs fpr Tampering http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/eye-on-baseba...with-joe-maddon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox_Sonix Posted November 11, 2014 Share Posted November 11, 2014 To me, this is a classic case where it should be obvious to anyone that tampering was involved but that there most likely will be no concrete evidence to prove anything. So in the end it will all be much ado about nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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