Jose Abreu Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 QUOTE (Mike F. @ Feb 9, 2015 -> 07:42 PM) What does FIP mean? Forgive my ignorance, I don't really understand the sabermetric aspect of baseball besides WAR. Fielding independent pitching, it's basically a better version of ERA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YouCanPutItOnTheBoardYES! Posted February 10, 2015 Author Share Posted February 10, 2015 QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Feb 9, 2015 -> 08:22 PM) Fielding independent pitching, it's basically a better version of ERA. Thank you for clarifying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reddy Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Feb 9, 2015 -> 08:16 PM) I would love if the Sox got K-Rod. 7th-8th-9th inning of Duke, K-Rod, and Robertson would be lethal. That moves Jennings , Putnam, and Petricka into lesser roles. I want Brandon Beachy. Beachy + Coop = Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 I'd love Beachy as a reclamation project. As far as aim for the moon; Moncada or Longoria. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shysocks Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Feb 9, 2015 -> 07:35 PM) Nope. He's overrated (4.5 FIP in 2014) and a terrible person (domestic violence and assault). We don't need that. THIS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 Scott Merkin @scottmerkin 3m3 minutes ago Williams said there was one more move "that really would have been nice" that didn't materialize. Any guesses? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Feb 11, 2015 -> 04:31 PM) Scott Merkin @scottmerkin 3m3 minutes ago Williams said there was one more move "that really would have been nice" that didn't materialize. Any guesses? Jason Castro Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Feb 11, 2015 -> 04:31 PM) Scott Merkin @scottmerkin 3m3 minutes ago Williams said there was one more move "that really would have been nice" that didn't materialize. Any guesses? If hes just saying it today, then I'm going Shields. Sox are never rumored to be in on anyone until a deal is close and the Padres, Cubs, and another unknown team or two were in the mix. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Feb 11, 2015 -> 05:38 PM) If hes just saying it today, then I'm going Shields. Sox are never rumored to be in on anyone until a deal is close and the Padres, Cubs, and another unknown team or two were in the mix. I don't think Shields fit their MO this offseason. They were looking for moves that didn't cripple them in the long term, and given that Shields still got $19 mill a year, he's older, and his signing would have prevented several other possible moves (nevermind getting burnt as badly as they did on Danks), I think it was more geared toward a younger player. Right or wrong, I think they have enough confidence in Danks/Noesi/Rodon/Beck/Johnson/Penny to cover the 4 & 5 spots in the rotation. The Sox have a few different areas of weakness right now, but the 3 biggest are probably 3B, 2B, and C. They may have checked on Headley, but that sort of falls in line with the Shields dilemma - older player needing a sizable multi-year deal. It could have been Sandoval too, but I think that was more due diligence on their end. There could be 2B they looked into as well, but I think they want to see what they have in Sanchez and Johnson. That leaves catcher, and with the number of catchers they've brought in or had in house that are OK and really nothing more - Flowers, Brantly, Kottaras, Soto, Nieto, Smith - that, to me, seems like the most likely target. If it was Castro, I'm guessing they thought they may be able to buy low and when the Astros asked for Danish or Montas, the Sox backed away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Feb 11, 2015 -> 05:46 PM) I don't think Shields fit their MO this offseason. They were looking for moves that didn't cripple them in the long term, and given that Shields still got $19 mill a year, he's older, and his signing would have prevented several other possible moves (nevermind getting burnt as badly as they did on Danks), I think it was more geared toward a younger player. Right or wrong, I think they have enough confidence in Danks/Noesi/Rodon/Beck/Johnson/Penny to cover the 4 & 5 spots in the rotation. The Sox have a few different areas of weakness right now, but the 3 biggest are probably 3B, 2B, and C. They may have checked on Headley, but that sort of falls in line with the Shields dilemma - older player needing a sizable multi-year deal. It could have been Sandoval too, but I think that was more due diligence on their end. There could be 2B they looked into as well, but I think they want to see what they have in Sanchez and Johnson. That leaves catcher, and with the number of catchers they've brought in or had in house that are OK and really nothing more - Flowers, Brantly, Kottaras, Soto, Nieto, Smith - that, to me, seems like the most likely target. If it was Castro, I'm guessing they thought they may be able to buy low and when the Astros asked for Danish or Montas, the Sox backed away. I'm not saying they offered him a deal that would cripple them. Maybe they offered like 3/45 with the hope of drawing him in with current roster anf him as a number 4 giving them 4 strong with possibly Rodon too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlSoxfan Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Feb 11, 2015 -> 06:46 PM) I don't think Shields fit their MO this offseason. They were looking for moves that didn't cripple them in the long term, and given that Shields still got $19 mill a year, he's older, and his signing would have prevented several other possible moves (nevermind getting burnt as badly as they did on Danks), I think it was more geared toward a younger player. Right or wrong, I think they have enough confidence in Danks/Noesi/Rodon/Beck/Johnson/Penny to cover the 4 & 5 spots in the rotation. The Sox have a few different areas of weakness right now, but the 3 biggest are probably 3B, 2B, and C. They may have checked on Headley, but that sort of falls in line with the Shields dilemma - older player needing a sizable multi-year deal. It could have been Sandoval too, but I think that was more due diligence on their end. There could be 2B they looked into as well, but I think they want to see what they have in Sanchez and Johnson. That leaves catcher, and with the number of catchers they've brought in or had in house that are OK and really nothing more - Flowers, Brantly, Kottaras, Soto, Nieto, Smith - that, to me, seems like the most likely target. If it was Castro, I'm guessing they thought they may be able to buy low and when the Astros asked for Danish or Montas, the Sox backed away. I tend to agree with you. It might of been Sandoval or another 3rd baseman but I think it was a catcher with Castro the most likely. Of course it might also of been an outfielder who was traded elsewhere and then we picked up Melky afterwords. It would be interesting to know for sure what could of been. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 I think Castro is a pretty good guess. Another possibility could be Grandal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrlesque Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 QUOTE (AlSoxfan @ Feb 11, 2015 -> 06:55 PM) I tend to agree with you. It might of been Sandoval or another 3rd baseman but I think it was a catcher with Castro the most likely. Of course it might also of been an outfielder who was traded elsewhere and then we picked up Melky afterwords. It would be interesting to know for sure what could of been. Castro and Grandal are the obvious guesses, but I think it was an OF. Jay Bruce or Justin Upton are my guesses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reddy Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 Sell the farm for Cole Hamels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 QUOTE (Reddy @ Feb 12, 2015 -> 02:17 PM) Sell the farm for Cole Hamels. ALL THE LEFTIES!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 A 4th OF who can actually hit, even if from only 1 side of the plate. have no interest in catchers whose main credential is that they don't play for the Sox and they aren't named Flowers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 Scott Merkin @scottmerkin 4h4 hours ago White Sox will have 64 players in big league camp at outset Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reddy Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Feb 13, 2015 -> 04:58 PM) Scott Merkin @scottmerkin 4h4 hours ago White Sox will have 64 players in big league camp at outset 65 if you include Cole Hamels. They won't have to trade anyone for him. That's the best part. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Feb 13, 2015 -> 04:58 PM) Scott Merkin @scottmerkin 4h4 hours ago White Sox will have 64 players in big league camp at outset Is that a lot or a little? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dewssox79 Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 QUOTE (Mike F. @ Jan 19, 2015 -> 12:08 AM) Does anyone else think Doug Fister is now a possibility for the Sox since Scherzer went to Washington? Id love to get rid of flowers. But in all honesty I dont see another big move to be made. If we could though make a move in a fantasy world it would be for a 3BMN named longoria. On a side note id like to see reed johnson as 4th outfielder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 QUOTE (dewssox79 @ Feb 14, 2015 -> 04:54 PM) Id love to get rid of flowers. But in all honesty I dont see another big move to be made. If we could though make a move in a fantasy world it would be for a 3BMN named longoria. On a side note id like to see reed johnson as 4th outfielder. ever since the offseason started, i always thought chi-wash will be a great trade partners. wash has a lot of contracts expiring next yr, they are not going to sign all their own fa's, they might look at trading some for prospects. ref prospects, as long as it is a smart trade done by Hahn. just my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Feb 13, 2015 -> 10:58 PM) Scott Merkin @scottmerkin 4h4 hours ago White Sox will have 64 players in big league camp at outset alot of smoke, considering who is being invited. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dewssox79 Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 QUOTE (LDF @ Feb 14, 2015 -> 10:54 AM) ever since the offseason started, i always thought chi-wash will be a great trade partners. wash has a lot of contracts expiring next yr, they are not going to sign all their own fa's, they might look at trading some for prospects. ref prospects, as long as it is a smart trade done by Hahn. just my opinion. Well I have always wanted SP Roark. Just so happens he maybe going to the pen. Such a waste of talent going to the pen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brett05 Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 QUOTE (dewssox79 @ Feb 16, 2015 -> 12:11 PM) Well I have always wanted SP Roark. Just so happens he maybe going to the pen. Such a waste of talent going to the pen. I'd roll with what we got. If we could replace Robin that would be my only remaining move to take our chances in 2015 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 ok, i am going to attempt my rendition of a town crier at the podium, and voice my wish, my statement of what needs to be done. i would like either pitchers from Wash, Zimmerman or Fitscher. those were my org wish from the beginning of the offseason. the sox needs another proven sp in the #1-2 range. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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