chetkincaid Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 QUOTE (Jose Paniagua @ Jan 22, 2015 -> 02:04 PM) Absolutely love Soto's reaction here when Ozzie's kicks his mask lol http://m.mlb.com/chc/video/topic/8878834/v...sixth/?c_id=chc That was hilarious! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 QUOTE (Chet Kincaid @ Jan 22, 2015 -> 10:32 PM) That was hilarious! yeah he was laughing at that. even afterward while walking back. great. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 So the Sox will have 6 catchers in camp to start ST: Flowers, Nieto, Kottaras, Brantly, Soto, Smith. Interesting collection. QUOTE (LDF @ Jan 22, 2015 -> 02:26 PM) the past couple of seasons, i am surprise the sox didn't use some of the vendors to see if they couldn't man a position or pitch. Fun fact: The White Sox have a pitching prospect who actually was a hot dog vendor at Comiskey/The Cell in their youth, and his mother worked in the park for some time as well. His name is Mike Recchia, Crestwood native. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Jan 22, 2015 -> 09:50 PM) So the Sox will have 6 catchers in camp to start ST: Flowers, Nieto, Kottaras, Brantly, Soto, Smith. Interesting collection. Fun fact: The White Sox have a pitching prospect who actually was a hot dog vendor at Comiskey/The Cell in their youth, and his mother worked in the park for some time as well. His name is Mike Recchia, Crestwood native. that is a fun fact.... i hope he makes it for that reason. thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Princess Dye Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 There's a chance this is the org's best catcher. Not saying a ton of course. I'm happy we have some depth now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South Side Fireworks Man Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 QUOTE (fathom @ Jan 22, 2015 -> 02:55 PM) Ha, they've now acquired 2 of my least favorite Cubs players of the last decade (Shark/Soto) At least they didn't sign Michael Barrett. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clyons Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 QUOTE (Jose Paniagua @ Jan 22, 2015 -> 04:29 PM) There's a chance this is the org's best catcher. Not saying a ton of course. I'm happy we have some depth now. No way (at least I really hope so). He had a couple good years a long time ago, and hasn't been the same since he quit the juice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldsox Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 QUOTE (Jose Paniagua @ Jan 22, 2015 -> 05:29 PM) There's a chance this is the org's best catcher. Not saying a ton of course. I'm happy we have some depth now. Soto is not even close to Flowers, IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 QUOTE (PlaySumFnJurny @ Jan 22, 2015 -> 05:20 PM) No way (at least I really hope so). He had a couple good years a long time ago, and hasn't been the same since he quit the juice. Tyler Flowers is a career .218 hitter with about a 35% strikeout rate. There is no catcher head and shoulders better than any other in the Sox system now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldsox Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jan 22, 2015 -> 07:32 PM) Tyler Flowers is a career .218 hitter with about a 35% strikeout rate. There is no catcher head and shoulders better than any other in the Sox system now. You might be right, but face it, Flowers today is a much better player than he was in his first couple of years here. I know he had a long stretch last year (a couple of months??) when he just could not hit, and he looked lost at the plate, but not behind it. Then, he came out of it the last two months or so. I can see a slight improvement for him in 2015. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 (edited) QUOTE (oldsox @ Jan 22, 2015 -> 06:41 PM) You might be right, but face it, Flowers today is a much better player than he was in his first couple of years here. I know he had a long stretch last year (a couple of months??) when he just could not hit, and he looked lost at the plate, but not behind it. Then, he came out of it the last two months or so. I can see a slight improvement for him in 2015. He could. He also could hit .180. He is the starter until someone beats him out, but I don't think it is a lock he is better than Soto in 2015, and obviously Soto isn't all that great. Steamer projects Flowers at 0.8 WAR. Soto at 1.1. Edited January 23, 2015 by Dick Allen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 I'm with Dick Allen here -- at least Soto has shown he's capable of being an above-average bat. He's a long-shot to regain his form, but there's really no significant difference between him and Flowers right now if Soto is healthy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jan 23, 2015 -> 01:46 AM) He could. He also could hit .180. He is the starter until someone beats him out, but I don't think it is a lock he is better than Soto in 2015, and obviously Soto isn't all that great. Steamer projects Flowers at 0.8 WAR. Soto at 1.1. i can deal with 1 or 2 position being weak, hitting wise, if they provide a vital part to that position. that is defense, esp if flowers provide good defense and calls a good game, then i can deal with his lack of hitting. on a side note, wasn't part of his improvement was b/c of he needed glasses or something like that?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 Alright. Let's find him some stuff he can't get caught with, and the sox will be in terrific shape. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlSoxfan Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 Minor league deals like this are always nice. Ya never know Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 Wasn't Soto a big time prospect a few years ago? Like somebody said we usually sign pitchers like this. About time we signed a reclamation project at a position like catcher. If Soto is healthy, couldn't he beat out Flowers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vance Law Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 Soto was awesome in 2010. Since then, he's hit .223/.299/.394 for a .693 OPS. 38 HR in 1100 PAs Kottaras since then .216/ .341/.425 .766 OPS. 22 HRs in 500 PAs. Those are pretty much exactly Kottaras' career splits against righties Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 QUOTE (Chilihead90 @ Jan 22, 2015 -> 02:59 PM) I was at the game his rookie season when he hit 3 HR....I think against the Braves or Phillies. That is all. No, no you were not. That is all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 QUOTE (Chilihead90 @ Jan 22, 2015 -> 02:59 PM) I was at the game his rookie season when he hit 3 HR....I think against the Braves or Phillies. That is all. Soto has exactly zero career 3-home run games. http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/...otoge01&t=b Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Jan 22, 2015 -> 09:01 PM) Soto has exactly zero career 3-home run games. http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/...otoge01&t=b You shut your whore mouth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 QUOTE (Chilihead90 @ Jan 22, 2015 -> 09:20 PM) You shut your whore mouth. Such a complentarian- you are. Signed, he who invents words. Thanks, hi8is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 QUOTE (Chilihead90 @ Jan 23, 2015 -> 06:20 AM) You shut your whore mouth. can't we all be friends..... seriously, you are one of the better posters. not everyone will agree in 100% of all post and replies. peace. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shysocks Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 QUOTE (Vance Law @ Jan 22, 2015 -> 08:35 PM) Soto was awesome in 2010. Since then, he's hit .223/.299/.394 for a .693 OPS. 38 HR in 1100 PAs Kottaras since then .216/ .341/.425 .766 OPS. 22 HRs in 500 PAs. Those are pretty much exactly Kottaras' career splits against righties Last three years, their offensive numbers are remarkably similar. Soto separates himself a little with the peripheral stuff. Have to imagine Flowers has the edge for defense/familiarity with staff. Geo Soto: .219/.291/.381, 81 wRC+, 8.9 BB%, 24.5 K% Flow Flow: .222/.281/.381, 82 wRC+, 5.9 BB%, 35.5 K% Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 (edited) QUOTE (shysocks @ Jan 23, 2015 -> 10:25 AM) Last three years, their offensive numbers are remarkably similar. Soto separates himself a little with the peripheral stuff. Have to imagine Flowers has the edge for defense/familiarity with staff. Geo Soto: .219/.291/.381, 81 wRC+, 8.9 BB%, 24.5 K% Flow Flow: .222/.281/.381, 82 wRC+, 5.9 BB%, 35.5 K% The two drastic differences there are the walk and k rate, which I'm guessing means that Flowers BABIP has been 40 or so points higher than Soto's. Strangely, I'm not sure how to look at guys' stats over a custom period of time. EDIT: Figured it out -- Flowers = .315, Soto = .262 Here's a custom leaderboard comparing those two from 2012-2014 if anyone is interested: http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=...ayers=9134,3707 Edited January 23, 2015 by Eminor3rd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shysocks Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Jan 23, 2015 -> 09:50 AM) The two drastic differences there are the walk and k rate, which I'm guessing means that Flowers BABIP has been 40 or so points higher than Soto's. Strangely, I'm not sure how to look at guys' stats over a custom period of time. EDIT: Figured it out -- Flowers = .315, Soto = .262 Bah, I was all set to drop knowledge before I saw your edit, but I'm gonna do it anyway. For something like this during an offseason you can go to the Fangraphs leaderboards and select Past 3 Calendar Years as the split. For something a little less cut-and-dry you go into the player's game log, hit All Dates, and then customize the dates you want from there. The second way is easily one of my favorite features on the site. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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