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1 hour ago, soxfan49 said:

They fired you and didn't give an explanation?

Nope. Just told me to go away. 

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1 hour ago, Jack Parkman said:

Nope. Just told me to go away. 

Wow that's nuts. You should call & ask to talk to a regional person. That sounds unfair to me.

I remember in college I got a job at the campus bookstore, and after 4 days they fired me because "we only need extra hands the first week of the semester because then traffic slows dramatically." Was it a position like that by chance? Not necessarily at a bookstore but you get my drift.

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8 hours ago, Jack Parkman said:

Nope. Just told me to go away. 

What happened?  

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18 hours ago, Jack Parkman said:

Nope. Just told me to go away. 

They told you to “go away”.  Seems like there is a lot more to this story you’re not sharing.  And if that’s truly all they said, you should have certainly demanded a reason.

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1 hour ago, Chicago White Sox said:

They told you to “go away”.  Seems like there is a lot more to this story you’re not sharing.  And if that’s truly all they said, you should have certainly demanded a reason.

No, there isn't. I'm convinced it's HR in their ear telling them not to say anything because they don't want to work with a person on the spectrum, and they have to protect themselves legally. Those were my words, not theirs. I know what it is, the job didn't have a lot of structure and I didn't have enough time to acclimate, and they didn't want to wait for me to do so. 

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20 hours ago, Jack Parkman said:

No, there isn't. I'm convinced it's HR in their ear telling them not to say anything because they don't want to work with a person on the spectrum, and they have to protect themselves legally. Those were my words, not theirs. I know what it is, the job didn't have a lot of structure and I didn't have enough time to acclimate, and they didn't want to wait for me to do so. 

When you were hired, did they not know that you were on the spectrum? Firing you like you are saying is the risky legal process, not keeping you there.

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2 hours ago, Kyyle23 said:

When you were hired, did they not know that you were on the spectrum? Firing you like you are saying is the risky legal process, not keeping you there.

No they knew. 

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Companies are not obligated to offer a reason. Most states are "right to work" states and employees are "at will" which makes actually firing someone not risky unless for protected reasons like discrimination (carefully defined by law) or retaliation. 

 

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2 hours ago, Texsox said:

Companies are not obligated to offer a reason. Most states are "right to work" states and employees are "at will" which makes actually firing someone not risky unless for protected reasons like discrimination (carefully defined by law) or retaliation. 

 

Especially if you are in a probationary period, which most employees are when they start.

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On 5/17/2020 at 11:53 AM, Jack Parkman said:

No, there isn't. I'm convinced it's HR in their ear telling them not to say anything because they don't want to work with a person on the spectrum, and they have to protect themselves legally. Those were my words, not theirs. I know what it is, the job didn't have a lot of structure and I didn't have enough time to acclimate, and they didn't want to wait for me to do so. 

2 days man...look I can't begin to fathom what you are going through but there's obviously a change in approach or something needed here.  I've seen some weird shit, I've had people disappear without a word, I've had people come in that were clearly different than from video interviews, etc, but I've never fired someone who didn't lie about credentials blatantly 2 days into a job.  It would take something pretty big for that to occur, can you shed more light on your interactions with team members and the manager in that time period on what could have set that into motion?

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11 hours ago, bigruss said:

2 days man...look I can't begin to fathom what you are going through but there's obviously a change in approach or something needed here.  I've seen some weird shit, I've had people disappear without a word, I've had people come in that were clearly different than from video interviews, etc, but I've never fired someone who didn't lie about credentials blatantly 2 days into a job.  It would take something pretty big for that to occur, can you shed more light on your interactions with team members and the manager in that time period on what could have set that into motion?

I honestly have no idea......I could have unknowingly broken the social rules, but I really have no clue what the hell I did. 

I had 2 zoom meetings with my managers on the first day and then the second day was on 100% on Slack. All WFH shit. The next day they brought me in just to fire me. 

I guess asking for more detailed instructions might have been an issue, or sending a slack message late at night on day 2 (I had forgotten that the guy wasn't on the West Coast so I momentarily thought he was 2 hours behind me...It would have been 7pm in that case....I wasn't expecting it to be answered immediately anyway. 

I don't remember doing anything so inappropriate as to get fired in 48 hours...unless I did do something in which I have no idea what it is. 

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When you say you asked for more instruction, what does that entail specifically?

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54 minutes ago, bigruss said:

When you say you asked for more instruction, what does that entail specifically?

I was in a software testing role, I just wanted more specifics about which features that needed to be tested. Like the feature within the feature. I've done it long enough to know that it's really hard to find stuff in exploratory testing without knowing where to look. I didn't even have enough time to learn the ins and outs of the software. 

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3 hours ago, Jack Parkman said:

The next day they brought me in just to fire me. 

So it was a face to face meeting? Something had to have been said here.

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39 minutes ago, Iwritecode said:

So it was a face to face meeting? Something had to have been said here.

No. They let me mess around with the website for an hour, told me that I'd used up my hours for the week, and then they messaged me on slack and said that I wasn't a good fit for their company. That's as far as it went. 

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How do you guys feel about at will employment?  Do you feel it's mutually beneficial for employer and employee or only good for the employer?  The reason I ask is because I was let go from a job in the past but they never told me a reason.  I ask this question for growth potential purposes but if they withhold the info then how can you realistically get better?  I know it's not their prerogative to share but it just seems odd.  I know employment is probably a legalese mindfield and they don't want to give you any information to sue but I'm just curious how as a worker you can protect yourself situations like this?

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43 minutes ago, pettie4sox said:

How do you guys feel about at will employment?  Do you feel it's mutually beneficial for employer and employee or only good for the employer?  The reason I ask is because I was let go from a job in the past but they never told me a reason.  I ask this question for growth potential purposes but if they withhold the info then how can you realistically get better?  I know it's not their prerogative to share but it just seems odd.  I know employment is probably a legalese mindfield and they don't want to give you any information to sue but I'm just curious how as a worker you can protect yourself situations like this?

It does seem to benefit the employer more. I can only think of one time that "right to work" helped an employee. We had an employee leave us to work for a new to the market competitor. They made everyone sign non compete clauses that were really one sided. Then after the salespeople brought their existing customers into the company they quickly started firing people. It was a huge revolving door for about a year or two. It got their foot in the door and they even kept a lot of the customers after the reps were let go because . . .

They also aggressively pursued anyone who accepted a position in the industry citing the non comp that everyone signed. They sent us a "presumptive letter" threatening legal action if we interviewed any of their previous employees. Eventually ex employees went to court and were allowed to work for competitors under that right to work. But generally it allows people to be fired easily. 

Also, remember these are basically union busting laws so realize which party favors workers and which one believes workers benefit when the owners are allowed to make the most profits without interference. 

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56 minutes ago, Jack Parkman said:

No. They let me mess around with the website for an hour, told me that I'd used up my hours for the week, and then they messaged me on slack and said that I wasn't a good fit for their company. That's as far as it went. 

Did you say you had a person to person meeting? Was it a dress issue? Did you show up in shorts? I feel your pain, Jack. But it seems the company is liable for a lawsuit in firing you without a reason. When you slacked at night did you sense irritation on their part? Did your questions set them off that you would be too needy? Take care. Hang in there. You'll find your niche.

But it might be smart to do a mock interview or session with somebody on Soxtalk who is a manager who could assess the situation. I bet some folks on here would help u. GO SOX! and take care.

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1 hour ago, greg775 said:

Did you say you had a person to person meeting? Was it a dress issue? Did you show up in shorts? I feel your pain, Jack. But it seems the company is liable for a lawsuit in firing you without a reason. When you slacked at night did you sense irritation on their part? Did your questions set them off that you would be too needy? Take care. Hang in there. You'll find your niche.

But it might be smart to do a mock interview or session with somebody on Soxtalk who is a manager who could assess the situation. I bet some folks on here would help u. GO SOX! and take care.

That's my sense, that the frequency of my questions rubbed them that I'm too needy. 

I was going to mess with their production website so I had better ideas of where to look this week, but I never got the opportunity. 

Also, sometimes I have momentary lapses where I forget the scope of the project, mostly due to misinterpretation of directions. That bugs some people.

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23 hours ago, greg775 said:

But it seems the company is liable for a lawsuit in firing you without a reason.

Not in Illinois.

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21 hours ago, Jack Parkman said:

That's my sense, that the frequency of my questions rubbed them that I'm too needy. 

I was going to mess with their production website so I had better ideas of where to look this week, but I never got the opportunity. 

Also, sometimes I have momentary lapses where I forget the scope of the project, mostly due to misinterpretation of directions. That bugs some people.

Jack: I have a buddy who got laid off who parks cars for Avis and loves the job. He also is a security guard at a large concert venue. I know you are qualified for desk work but seeing that you may not be a good fit for desk work where u are confined, would you consider those type jobs? I bet if u applied you'd get jobs like that within six months. Or be a consultant from home? Or an IT worker for a big company from home?

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8 hours ago, greg775 said:

Jack: I have a buddy who got laid off who parks cars for Avis and loves the job. He also is a security guard at a large concert venue. I know you are qualified for desk work but seeing that you may not be a good fit for desk work where u are confined, would you consider those type jobs? I bet if u applied you'd get jobs like that within six months. Or be a consultant from home? Or an IT worker for a big company from home?

Good call. Maybe even an underwriter of some kind- they primarily work from home- whether it be life insurance, mortgage lending, etc.

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23 hours ago, Iwritecode said:

Not in Illinois.

Not in any state other than Montana (seriously).

There are reasons you can't fire someone, particularly due to status in a protected class (can't fire on race, religion, disability, that sort of thing). But as long as it's not one of those things, companies can fire you whenever they want, pretty much. Just like you can quit pretty much whenever you want.

And even on disability and religion, there are limits on the hiring side. Companies can require active duty for certain stretches of time, ability to handle certain manual labor, etc., as long as it is directly necessary for the job and cannot be modified with reasonable accommodations.

 

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Job Option A:

Full time position, OK pay, great stability but somewhat of dead end job that you can coast through easily

Job Option B:

Contract to Hire, Great pay, potentially learning great skills for the future, tough, unknown future

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2 hours ago, pettie4sox said:

Job Option A:

Full time position, OK pay, great stability but somewhat of dead end job that you can coast through easily

Job Option B:

Contract to Hire, Great pay, potentially learning great skills for the future, tough, unknown future

If you are younger and don't have a family to support, B seems like an obvious choice.

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