Send down Rodon and Call up EJ

[BlackSox13]

Imo, Rodon's biggest issues are control and command. AAA is not going to teach him that. He's shown the ability to get ML hitters out so its a matter of Rodon adjusting and refining. He can be quite frustrating to watch but he's only 22 years old so bumps in the road are bound to happen.

[Jake]

And he'd have a lot more opportunities and margin of error to work on that pitch in Triple A if given a proper game plan. Personally, I think it's silly to let a pitcher learn a new pitch on the fly in the big leagues, especially if he's only a 2-pitch pitcher so far, it would do damage to his confidence if he struggles, and I think the team will wants to go after the WC spot.

 

He's not learning a new pitch. He had the changeup in college as well, he just didn't need it much just as he arguably doesn't need it much here (though it certainly would be a long term difference maker). His problem is chiefly fastball command and this is the level where he is most likely to improve it. He could get better command in the minors, but this is the level where hitters are most likely to punish you for your mistakes. When a guy has stuff like Carlos does, he needs to pitch against big talent or his mistakes may not get exposed.

[Balta1701]

Rodon looks like an average prospect at best right now. To be honest, he's resembling Danks. About 50 percent of his outings are good, the rest are lousy. This year is a rebuilding year so he's learning on the job in the bigs. On paper, the Sox rotation has to be the best in baseball. It's just inconsistent sometimes. Rodon has been nasty nasty at times but also has been horrific.

Slight difference between the 89 mph fastball and the 95 mph fastball.

[thxfrthmmrs]

He's not learning a new pitch. He had the changeup in college as well, he just didn't need it much just as he arguably doesn't need it much here (though it certainly would be a long term difference maker). His problem is chiefly fastball command and this is the level where he is most likely to improve it. He could get better command in the minors, but this is the level where hitters are most likely to punish you for your mistakes. When a guy has stuff like Carlos does, he needs to pitch against big talent or his mistakes may not get exposed.

 

Developing, as opposed to learning, if you really want to get down to the specifics.

 

I want to see how much of a leash you all are giving him before sending him down. If we're in a rebuilding situation, then I wouldn't mind giving longer leash. But we had the going-for-it mentality since Day 1, and we are still in the race at this point. At some point, you gotta take a step back and evaluate whether it's best of both world to bring up EJ and let Rodon develop down in the minors instead.

[LDF]

The move from AA to AAA has nothing to do with free agency.

 

and maybe i should have said, if or when a player moves up to the majors, his clock starts.

[LDF]

He doesn't have #1 stuff, but he's got legit big league rotation stuff. Low to mid 90s fastball, multilple breaking pitches, decent enough control of it all so far, big frame where you look at him and think his body can handle just about anything you throw at it. He's not Chris Sale, but with time you could convince me he's a mid to even upper rotation guy.

 

in addition, when the system is bare and praying for a miracle. a player show up who can possible make the big team.... fans do get excited.

Edited August 2, 2015 by LDF

[Quin]

Rodon looks like an average prospect at best right now. To be honest, he's resembling Danks. About 50 percent of his outings are good, the rest are lousy. This year is a rebuilding year so he's learning on the job in the bigs. On paper, the Sox rotation has to be the best in baseball. It's just inconsistent sometimes. Rodon has been nasty nasty at times but also has been horrific.

 

That'd be the Nats.

[Panerista]

That'd be the Nats.

Second best in AL. I'll still take the 'Stros over us, but not by much

[LittleHurt05]

That'd be the Nats.

 

 

Second best in AL. I'll still take the 'Stros over us, but not by much

 

Cardinals and the Mets are pretty strong too, although this version of Danks makes the Sox look pretty good

[Panerista]

Cardinals and the Mets are pretty strong too, although this version of Danks makes the Sox look pretty good

Agreed, but as of late the staff has been terrific top to bottom, except for a few blips.

[beautox]

Sending him down would be foolish, he needs to learn at the major league level in a rotation with out fear of being demoted and spending time consistently with the catchers and Coop. He has nothing left to prove at AAA. I too would like to see EJ come up and make a return if for nothing else to limit exposure of Danks and to keep Rodon's innings in check. If we continue our push to the WC #2 Ej could be a very valuable asset down the stretch, its nearly time to see if his FB has gotten a few of its tick's back and if it was a case of the yips or if he was truly hurt; He still has high / middle rotation potential and a future with this organization.

[CaliSoxFanViaSWside]

It was a missed pitch and it did lead to the scoring 5 runs, whether thwt would have made a difference last night, that is up for debate. They still got him in other parts of the game.

 

That one pitch though is interesting. If Flowers catches, known as the better framer, does he get that pitch, and does it potentially save 5 runs?

 

Or since Rodon was wild and known to be wild does the ump show bias just like he does on pitchers with a rep for good control ? If a ball is over the plate the catcher cannot catch it anywhere but where it is pitched . It is up to the ump to call it a strike . Do you know on that pitch where the catcher set up ? Did Rodon hit his spot where the catcher set up or somewhere else ? Many strikes don't get called if say a catcher sets up inside and the strike is thrown over the outside corner because a catcher has to move his glove so much and there is no way possible to frame it.

 

Point is when Rodon establishes better control he will get more calls. Until then he won't and blaming Soto is highly questionable.

[southsider2k5]

Not comparing pitchers, but lets take a look at Kershaw's rookie season:

 

107.2 IP, 109 H, 52 BB's, 100 K's, 4.26 ERA

 

 

Rodon:

 

80 IP, 86 H, 48 BB's, 87 K's, 4.84 ERA

 

Again, not saying Carlos is going to turn into Clayton, but the talk about sending him down, he's an average prospect, ect ect is incredibly premature.

 

Rodon could easily be throwing at Winston Salem or Birmingham right now, and he would be racking up numbers that would have him considered one of the top prospects in all of baseball. Hopefully people aren't losing sight of what the kid is doing right now.

 

[Panerista]

Not comparing pitchers, but lets take a look at Kershaw's rookie season:

 

107.2 IP, 109 H, 52 BB's, 100 K's, 4.26 ERA

 

 

Rodon:

 

80 IP, 86 H, 48 BB's, 87 K's, 4.84 ERA

 

Again, not saying Carlos is going to turn into Clayton, but the talk about sending him down, he's an average prospect, ect ect is incredibly premature.

Almost every redraft has Rodon going number 1. Smarter people that us seem to think he's a big piece of the Sox's future.