Whisox05 Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 http://www.csnchicago.com/white-sox/white-...ve-other-issues Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 It will be interesting. This winter has a lot of potential routes it could go. Do the White Sox believe in Erik Johnson enough to open up a spot for him? Would they go after another starting pitcher? If Samardjiza doesn't resign, then you have two holes to fill with a Quintana trade... then what? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Aug 21, 2015 -> 11:43 AM) It will be interesting. This winter has a lot of potential routes it could go. Do the White Sox believe in Erik Johnson enough to open up a spot for him? Would they go after another starting pitcher? If Samardjiza doesn't resign, then you have two holes to fill with a Quintana trade... then what? I still would be surprised if Fulmer did not make an appearance for at least part of the season next year given how this team moves their pitchers. That could fill a role partially...however I also am looking slightly longer term and although John Danks is an adequate #4/5 starter right now, Fulmer remains to me an ideal player to replace Danks even in the middle of the season next year. So if you're looking at trading Q, I think you also look farther down line and think of having 3 slots you need to fill. Â Montas could help with that by mid-season next year or 2017 as well, but a lesson from Rodon this year should be that even if guys are ready for the big leagues we need to expect them to struggle somewhat. So if we're going to work in these guys and trade someone like Q who is more established, we're setting ourselves up to struggle for a time while they adapt to the league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 Anything is possible. It depends on what is offered, the Sox needs and how the minor league players progress. Â When you are (yet again) a below .500 team, you rule nothing out. Â Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 21, 2015 -> 10:50 AM) I still would be surprised if Fulmer did not make an appearance for at least part of the season next year given how this team moves their pitchers. That could fill a role partially...however I also am looking slightly longer term and although John Danks is an adequate #4/5 starter right now, Fulmer remains to me an ideal player to replace Danks even in the middle of the season next year. So if you're looking at trading Q, I think you also look farther down line and think of having 3 slots you need to fill. Montas could help with that by mid-season next year or 2017 as well, but a lesson from Rodon this year should be that even if guys are ready for the big leagues we need to expect them to struggle somewhat. So if we're going to work in these guys and trade someone like Q who is more established, we're setting ourselves up to struggle for a time while they adapt to the league.  Until Montas can regularly go 7 innings in the minors, forget about him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 Â with ref to the actual question, i strong believe the sox has no choice but to trade some of their minor league pitching for players. the sox are not going to fix the team with FA's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shipps Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 I know this would be a risky proposition but we may not have a choice if we really want to add dynamic youthful offense to the lineup but I would entertain trading Rodon. And I love the kid but I could see how you can bring back a couple of young offensive talents that are currently on a major league roster. Not a prospect that has proven nothing at the major league level. You can bring back exactly what you need with Rodon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shipps Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 Mind you, I realize that could quite possibly turn around and bite you in the ass because Carlos may wind up being another Sale out there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 QUOTE (shipps @ Aug 21, 2015 -> 05:40 PM) Mind you, I realize that could quite possibly turn around and bite you in the ass because Carlos may wind up being another Sale out there. Â Unless it's for Nolan Arenado, no way should they trade Rodon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captain54 Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 Someone had a stat somewhere.. ( Maybe it was Lip)  the Sox have lost 15 games this year where the the pitching staff has given up three runs or less over 9 inn…  If this is accurate.. with any kind of even average offense and the Sox grabbing 7 of those games.. .they are @.500 and realistically in the hunt for WC 2…  I think it's more or less a no brainer… no big news flash, Rick.. the FA approach to plug holes coupled with no young productive position players on the horizon has plunged this franchise into the dark ages… interesting to see if the Chicago Wolves top the White Sox in ST numbers in 2016... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 Quintana and Montas for Arenado- who says no? I think that's a slightly better deal for us, but I could be wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 QUOTE (captain54 @ Aug 21, 2015 -> 12:02 PM) Someone had a stat somewhere.. ( Maybe it was Lip)  the Sox have lost 15 games this year where the the pitching staff has given up three runs or less over 9 inn…  If this is accurate.. with any kind of even average offense and the Sox grabbing 7 of those games.. .they are @.500 and realistically in the hunt for WC 2…  I think it's more or less a no brainer… no big news flash, Rick.. the FA approach to plug holes coupled with no young productive position players on the horizon has plunged this franchise into the dark ages… interesting to see if the Chicago Wolves top the White Sox in ST numbers in 2016... Actually, if they won 7 that they lost, they would be 7 over .500. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coco1997 Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 Trade Quintana for a haul and then sign Buehrle for a few years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 QUOTE (captain54 @ Aug 21, 2015 -> 11:02 AM) Someone had a stat somewhere.. ( Maybe it was Lip)  the Sox have lost 15 games this year where the the pitching staff has given up three runs or less over 9 inn…  If this is accurate.. with any kind of even average offense and the Sox grabbing 7 of those games.. .they are @.500 and realistically in the hunt for WC 2…  I think it's more or less a no brainer… no big news flash, Rick.. the FA approach to plug holes coupled with no young productive position players on the horizon has plunged this franchise into the dark ages… interesting to see if the Chicago Wolves top the White Sox in ST numbers in 2016...   It's 17 games where they allowed an opponent three runs or less and lost.  Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 QUOTE (WhiteSoxLifer @ Aug 21, 2015 -> 08:37 AM) http://www.csnchicago.com/white-sox/white-...ve-other-issues  Of course they could. Would I like any starters traded ? No. How about prospects ? No let them develop . Who then who might bring someone decent back ? Robertson perhaps much like they did with Addison Reed only Robertson is not as cheap by a long shot. Not sure what the return might bring.  Would be a bold thing to do but Sox might take a calculated risk that Jones can stay healthy and pitch effectively. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 QUOTE (Lip Man 1 @ Aug 21, 2015 -> 10:38 AM) It's 17 games where they allowed an opponent three runs or less and lost. Mark  The White Sox have scored three or fewer runs in 64 of 118 contests (54 percent) and are 17-47 in those games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Aug 21, 2015 -> 05:40 PM) Of course they could. Would I like any starters traded ? No. How about prospects ? No let them develop . Who then who might bring someone decent back ? Robertson perhaps much like they did with Addison Reed only Robertson is not as cheap by a long shot. Not sure what the return might bring. Would be a bold thing to do but Sox might take a calculated risk that Jones can stay healthy and pitch effectively.  Montas and Danish absolutely should be trade bait if other teams significantly value them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGajewski18 Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 I could see the rumors already of Dombroski going after Sale this winter after what he said at his press conference earlier this week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlSoxfan Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 I think it's our best option to trade starting pitching for a good bat. I think EJ can easily duplicate what Shark has done this yr. but trading another arm such as Q or Rodon might hurt. If I were to trade either I'd look to the Dodgers for someone like Seager + an not Puig. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shipps Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 QUOTE (fathom @ Aug 21, 2015 -> 12:49 PM) Montas and Danish absolutely should be trade bait if other teams significantly value them. Â Montas is at best a set-up man or closer of the future. I personally don't see overwhelming value in that so if someone is offering up some serious offensive talent for him you bite at that for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGajewski18 Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 QUOTE (shipps @ Aug 21, 2015 -> 12:57 PM) Montas is at best a set-up man or closer of the future. I personally don't see overwhelming value in that so if someone is offering up some serious offensive talent for him you bite at that for sure. Â At best a set up guy or closer? I think that's his floor. At his best, he can be a #2 starter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shipps Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Aug 21, 2015 -> 12:59 PM) At best a set up guy or closer? I think that's his floor. At his best, he can be a #2 starter. Â He doesnt have the control for his 95+mph stuff and if he throws it 95 and lower it gets hit hard because its straight. You can get away of that kind of stuff in the bullpen but the second time around a line-up you are going to struggle. I just dont see him as a productive starter in the big leagues. Only my opinion though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 Sale untouchable, Rodon and Q near untouchable, Fulmer can't be dealt. If they decide to resign Shark, dangle EJ, Montas, Danish and others on the trade market. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 Montas averages less than 5 IP per start. He'll be a reliever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGajewski18 Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Aug 21, 2015 -> 01:14 PM) Sale untouchable, Rodon and Q near untouchable, Fulmer can't be dealt. If they decide to resign Shark, dangle EJ, Montas, Danish and others on the trade market. Â I agree with this. I'm only trading Rodon if its for Arenado. Â I'd love to add Longoria, Seager, or Frazier at 3B. I think they can be had without giving up Anderson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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