bmags Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 K, we're going to agree to disagree that a murder in Chicago is going to go all the way up to the President to cover it up just to save some poll numbers for Rahm Emmanuel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenksismyhero Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 QUOTE (bmags @ Dec 7, 2015 -> 01:20 PM) K, we're going to agree to disagree that a murder in Chicago is going to go all the way up to the President to cover it up just to save some poll numbers for Rahm Emmanuel. I'm not saying they won't find ANYTHING. I bet their finding concludes some racial disparity in policing/arrests. But it's not going to be some damning report that implicates the mayor's office in any way, shape or form. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 Well, then I maintain that we will see a report every bit as damning as ferguson's, and likely some federal oversight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farmteam Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 QUOTE (bmags @ Dec 7, 2015 -> 02:17 PM) Well, then I maintain that we will see a report every bit as damning as ferguson's, and likely some federal oversight. And Ferguson didn't even have a black site. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 or a 10-year torture ring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Dec 7, 2015 -> 01:41 PM) I'm not saying they won't find ANYTHING. I bet their finding concludes some racial disparity in policing/arrests. But it's not going to be some damning report that implicates the mayor's office in any way, shape or form. You would know as well as anyone, people in those positions vary in terms of how much they are willing to - in some cases even love to - break the machine down when they face it. Fitzgerald had no friends in his work, that's the way he approached it. I don't know if the people involved this time are the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 There will be enough released to appease the community leaders and pin everything on the police way of doing things that Rahm will change going forward. You are very naive if you think this will shine negatively on the mayor or alderman. The mayor and alderman just threw out the self imposed watchdog who was trying to make changes and the media barely covered that story, to me that story shines a greater light on how poorly the city is run than the CPD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 Frankly, it doesn't matter. Police abuse existed before Rahm, it will happen after Rahm. This should be aimed at the CPD and creating reforms so that police officers that abuse their powers be removed. This issue of police accountability is not unique to Chicago. This is the help it needs to shine sunlight on it and move forward with real reform that will not be dependent on the mayor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 They great thing about cynical politicians is you can actually get good reform out of them when they feel their necks threatened. Today's presser was promising to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 15, 2015 Author Share Posted December 15, 2015 So all of Rahm's top aids got emails about this http://www.nbcchicago.com/investigations/C...-362039771.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 I can't stand reading anything from the president of the FOP at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farmteam Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 QUOTE (bmags @ Dec 16, 2015 -> 06:33 PM) I can't stand reading anything from the president of the FOP at this point. It's bad. I have the same issue with the Minneapolis union head. Every time he opens his mouth, idiocy comes out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrunkBomber Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 This one is really bad. *Graphic* http://www.worldstarhiphop.com/videos/vide...2858ukJMVFxI4oG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farmteam Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 QUOTE (DrunkBomber @ Dec 21, 2015 -> 12:49 AM) This one is really bad. *Graphic* http://www.worldstarhiphop.com/videos/vide...2858ukJMVFxI4oG Jesus. That's an execution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenksismyhero Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 Not sure that's as egregious as some of the others, but still an unnecessary death. I'm not sure why that cop pulled his gun to begin with being in such close proximity to his partner. He created the fear that Aguilar will grab it during the tussle, which then "justifies" in his mind the need to shoot. The other side of this, of course, is why the hell is this guy resisting so much. At some point people need to learn that cops are going to get the benefit of the doubt in that situation, so why go there? You're not going to win, and the worst case scenario is you creating a situation where the cop feels justified in shooting you out of fear. Stupid all the way around IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Dec 22, 2015 -> 12:59 PM) Not sure that's as egregious as some of the others, but still an unnecessary death. I'm not sure why that cop pulled his gun to begin with being in such close proximity to his partner. He created the fear that Aguilar will grab it during the tussle, which then "justifies" in his mind the need to shoot. The other side of this, of course, is why the hell is this guy resisting so much. At some point people need to learn that cops are going to get the benefit of the doubt in that situation, so why go there? You're not going to win, and the worst case scenario is you creating a situation where the cop feels justified in shooting you out of fear. Stupid all the way around IMO. While I agree with your second paragraph, that's clear cut murder right there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted January 15, 2016 Share Posted January 15, 2016 Video of a shooting of another fleeing unarmed black teen by the CPD from 3 years ago released recently. They show Chatman jumping out of a car that was reported stolen, running across the street and squeezing between two parked cars as Fry's partner, Officer Lou Toth, gives chase. Chatman then hits an all-out sprint along the sidewalk toward an intersection. Toth sprints behind him. Fry draws his Sig Sauer .45-caliber handgun in the middle of the street, plants his feet near the intersection and opens fire as Chatman appears to still be running away. A wounded, unarmed Chatman lies in the street as Toth handcuffs him and places his right boot on top of him. The whole event takes about 10 seconds. Fry told investigators he feared for his partner's life and fired four shots, saying Chatman made a slight turn toward him and had an object in his hand that he believed to be a gun. It turned out the object was a black iPhone box. In ordering the videos' release on Thursday, U.S. District Court Judge Robert Gettleman indicated Fry might have put his partner's life in danger, saying Toth was running so close to the teen when shots rang out "you might say he was in the line of fire." The videos also show two bystanders on the sidewalk near the intersection, just steps away when gunshots ring out and Chatman crumples to the ground. The two then sprint away from the direction of the gunfire. The original independent police investigator wanted to rule the shooting unjustified, saying the teen fled from Fry and Toth without posing a threat. That investigator, Lorenzo Davis, said he was fired when he refused to change his findings to a justified shooting. A new investigator was assigned and ruled the shooting justified. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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