OmarComing25 Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 QUOTE (nitetrain8601 @ Dec 5, 2015 -> 01:37 PM) Any idea on what can be available at that time? Sox really need to hit on those picks and hopefully they are hitters. Last hitter they've developed internally has been who? Carlos Lee?? Crede. Isn't next season's draft supposed to be pitcher-heavy? Seems likely that the BPA will be a pitcher again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 In that park and division, he will do fine. The only question is could the Giants have gotten similar production for a cheaper pricem Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 QUOTE (nitetrain8601 @ Dec 5, 2015 -> 08:37 PM) Any idea on what can be available at that time? Sox really need to hit on those picks and hopefully they are hitters. Last hitter they've developed internally has been who? Carlos Lee?? Â i like some hitters that will be projected to be in the draft. they, the sox can go any route. Â after the top 3 fav pitcher, there is 2 really good pitcher who got hurt, unknown factor for the fans, 1 college pitcher is lights out but he will not face any comp, and another interesting pitcher ... Â it is or will be fun to watch all of them next ncaa season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pettie4sox Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 Yay for comp pick! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 QUOTE (sin city sox fan @ Dec 5, 2015 -> 01:47 PM) Crazy to think that in a year with crazy salaries being tossed around, one of the best pitchers in the game signs a 5 year deal for only $90 million  Bit of a stretch, no? Sharks a pretty solid pitcher, but not one of the best.  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmarComing25 Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 QUOTE (pettie4sox @ Dec 5, 2015 -> 02:14 PM) Yay for comp pick! To think that some of us were starting to get worried during August/September that no team would sign him until after the draft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasonxctf Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 I used to be in the camp of the sox needing to draft hitters, but after seeing what free agent pitchers are getting, I say draft pitchers every time. Â If shark is worth $16 AAV in this market, what's sale, Quintana and Rodon worth? When these guys hit free agency there's no way the sox will pay up. Gotta have the backup of arms to replace them. Â Shoot the 3 of them may not make $16 mil total next year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpd9189 Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 It wouldn't shock me if Shark bounced back but I'd still like to see him have one season where he's good in the 2nd half of the season. That's alot of dough for a guy who's traditionally only decent pre all star break. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 QUOTE (dpd9189 @ Dec 5, 2015 -> 03:42 PM) It wouldn't shock me if Shark bounced back but I'd still like to see him have one season where he's good in the 2nd half of the season. That's alot of dough for a guy who's traditionally only decent pre all star break. The way I look at it is maybe he has one good year or two good years. How anyone can conclude looking at his career he will be really good for most of this contract is really reaching IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 Lol, Danks just might be tradable now. Â Cool, another pick and more money for the Sox to play with next June and the draft is supposed to be pretty good, last I read. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 QUOTE (Baron @ Dec 5, 2015 -> 02:26 PM) That and you had some bad signs from him like SO/9 going down and hits+HRs going up. Playing in SF will help a whole lot if he can't get his K-rate back up because he'll give up hits but they won't leave the park. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 QUOTE (nitetrain8601 @ Dec 5, 2015 -> 02:37 PM) Any idea on what can be available at that time? Sox really need to hit on those picks and hopefully they are hitters. Last hitter they've developed internally has been who? Carlos Lee?? Just remember though, on a normal schedule it'll be 2-4 years before any of those picks other than the top 10 will be pushing the big leagues and maybe 5 years before they're really turning into anything useful...unless your goal is to trade them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitekrazy Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 5, 2015 -> 04:47 PM) The way I look at it is maybe he has one good year or two good years. How anyone can conclude looking at his career he will be really good for most of this contract is really reaching IMO. Â An organization named the White Sox didn't agree with you in the last off season. The Sox like to throw money at veteran NL talent that can't play in the AL. Â Â Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 QUOTE (kitekrazy @ Dec 5, 2015 -> 04:53 PM) An organization named the White Sox didn't agree with you in the last off season. The Sox like to throw money at veteran NL talent that can't play in the AL. The way they've got to look at it is...in the first 1-2 years can he put them over the top? If you're playing the FA market that's the only plausible way you can look at a contract, you have to be willing to be stuck with 2-3 bad years in exchange for 1-2 contributing years. If you don't have a roster that is 1 player away, then stop playing the FA market because you're going to lose. Â Are they 1 player away? They won it in 2014, so it at least makes sense that they could think that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxfest Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 (edited) Good luck Giants.......................19th pick is a nice get for the Sox. Edited December 6, 2015 by Soxfest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 5, 2015 -> 03:51 PM) Playing in SF will help a whole lot if he can't get his K-rate back up because he'll give up hits but they won't leave the park. Â Â It'll be interesting to see where his location is next season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 Remember when posters on this site didn't want to give him a QO? Talk about dumb ideas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saufley Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Dec 5, 2015 -> 01:31 PM) WhiteSox currently have picks #10 and #30. Looking like they'll be #10 and something around #25 overall. Â I'm not into the college ball so what kind of a player will be there at #10? Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 QUOTE (Baron @ Dec 5, 2015 -> 05:26 PM) It'll be interesting to see where his location is next season. Something interesting about him - 3 of the past 4 seasons he's been worth exactly 2.7 fWAR. Only season he was worth any other number was 2014. If you just look at that, you think that's about what he might produce. Â But, in each of those same 4 seasons, Baseball-Reference's WAR has shown him underproducing fWAR by somewhere between 1 and 2.5 WAR. In other words, it's like UZR always blames the defense behind him and says he's doing fine, while DRS says he's doing much worse and blames him for the runs he gives up. Â But, outside of his time in Oakland, that's always been spent in parks you might call "Hitters parks", at least under the right wind conditions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 5, 2015 -> 04:35 PM) Something interesting about him - 3 of the past 4 seasons he's been worth exactly 2.7 fWAR. Only season he was worth any other number was 2014. If you just look at that, you think that's about what he might produce. But, in each of those same 4 seasons, Baseball-Reference's WAR has shown him underproducing fWAR by somewhere between 1 and 2.5 WAR. In other words, it's like UZR always blames the defense behind him and says he's doing fine, while DRS says he's doing much worse and blames him for the runs he gives up.  But, outside of his time in Oakland, that's always been spent in parks you might call "Hitters parks", at least under the right wind conditions.   That's actually very interesting. A conflict of stats on a players overall value. Fangraphs in their latest article mentions this just a tiny bit  http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/giants-inve...-dave-righetti/  I think it's easy to point to the defense and go that's the main culprit. But there was so much going wrong at once that it couldnt possibly be the only answer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 When Samardzija really sucked, right after the All Star break, that had zero to do with bad defense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Dec 5, 2015 -> 11:31 PM) Remember when posters on this site didn't want to give him a QO? Talk about dumb ideas. Â and i will say, that is why none of us works for the sox org Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 5, 2015 -> 04:50 PM) When Samardzija really sucked, right after the All Star break, that had zero to do with bad defense. Â Â I'm going to steal this Allen because it's a really good point that's often missed. It's way easier to blame the Sox defense for his troubles than delving deeper into the overall issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asindc Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 QUOTE (kitekrazy @ Dec 5, 2015 -> 04:53 PM) An organization named the White Sox didn't agree with you in the last off season. The Sox like to throw money at veteran NL talent that can't play in the AL. Â Not true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted December 6, 2015 Share Posted December 6, 2015 This proves by the way Hahn blew it last year a month before the trade deadline. Shark obviously has value and we could have gotten some talent for him, despite the fact I think he blows. Obviously there are teams out there that think Shark is worth five years and TOP dollar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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