2nd_city_saint787 Posted December 11, 2015 Share Posted December 11, 2015 Wonder how much Parra gets. He looks like a poor man's Heyward to me. Left handed, good defense, limited pop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted December 11, 2015 Share Posted December 11, 2015 QUOTE (TheFutureIsNear @ Dec 10, 2015 -> 04:43 PM) Funny, I started doing some research after I posted that and found this really interesting article on fangraphs as well. http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/are-we-unde...he-slugger-now/ Your article did make a good bit of sense though as far as the CF/RF thing goes, although in my opinion I'd say they are assuming kind of a lot with some of their #'s. Kinda shocking to me that we are still using data that is a decade+ old to evaluate current players though. Like I said, a like of the sabr stuff still goes over my head, but I don't think it takes a mathematician to figure out that the game has changed pretty drastically since the early 00's. Maybe I'm confused -- what does that have to do with overvaluing the defensive contributions of a RF? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlSoxfan Posted December 11, 2015 Share Posted December 11, 2015 I for one would still love to see the Sox sign him. Give me Heyward and a power bat an I'll see you in the playoffs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFutureIsNear Posted December 11, 2015 Share Posted December 11, 2015 QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Dec 10, 2015 -> 07:47 PM) Maybe I'm confused -- what does that have to do with overvaluing the defensive contributions of a RF? Not a whole lot on that topic, but still on the discussion of defense being overvalued in my opinion. I originally had a longer message but my phone magically deleted it lol...essentially it suggests that defensive position is probably over valued in calculating war due to the fact that it hasn't been updated to the modern game. Only a .6 difference in war between Chris Davis and Jason Heyward according to that more up to date model. But I'm assuming someone such as yourself would laugh if a team gave Davis the same contract as Heyward but 2 years shorter. With increasing K's and advanced scouting that have shifts on every other at bat the idea of paying a guy based on defense is a gamble I wouldn't take. I don't think Heyward is worth a dime over $130M personally, 7 years 18M per. Guess we'll see who's right in the long run. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerksticks Posted December 11, 2015 Share Posted December 11, 2015 QUOTE (AlSoxfan @ Dec 10, 2015 -> 06:48 PM) I for one would still love to see the Sox sign him. Give me Heyward and a power bat an I'll see you in the playoffs. For real. I'm ready to print playoff tickets for everybody Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted December 11, 2015 Share Posted December 11, 2015 Nats are apparently a real threat to sign him. They have a TV deal coming soon too forrect? They're gonna need it to pay Heyward and eventually Harper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted December 11, 2015 Share Posted December 11, 2015 Weather Alert: flash flood warning for the North Side of Chicago. A high pressure system of over zealous expectations by fans of that area will produce heavy rains from the eyes of said fans after tropical storm Heyward moves to the DC area. Heavy rains are expected to continue in the wake of tropical storm Heyward indefinitely. Take caution and plan accordingly for provisions such as rain gear, canned food, ear plugs, duct tape and it would be especially beneficial if one knows how to build a boat. End weather statement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YouCanPutItOnTheBoardYES! Posted December 11, 2015 Share Posted December 11, 2015 QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Dec 10, 2015 -> 07:54 PM) Weather Alert: flash flood warning for the North Side of Chicago. A high pressure system of over zealous expectations by fans of that area will produce heavy rains from the eyes of said fans after tropical storm Heyward moves to the DC area. Heavy rains are expected to continue in the wake of tropical storm Heyward indefinitely. Take caution and plan accordingly for provisions such as rain gear, canned food, ear plugs, duct tape and it would be especially beneficial if one knows how to build a boat. End weather statement. I love you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted December 11, 2015 Share Posted December 11, 2015 QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Dec 10, 2015 -> 08:16 PM) I love you. I love you too man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted December 11, 2015 Share Posted December 11, 2015 QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Dec 10, 2015 -> 12:34 PM) There's been some talk/research over the last year or so about this -- there appears to be substantial evidence that the impact of a plus CF vs a plus corner OF is quite overrated. Essentially, when you control for catchability, zone overlap, and the actual difference between the high end defenders and low end ones, the CF doesn't receive nearly as many extra chances as people assume. http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/does-outfie...ctually-matter/ Ha I didn't need a study to tell me that. I posted some time ago though, I have no idea which thread ,about advantages that a CF gets because he plays in the middle of the field that corner OF's do not. I'm pretty sure the main issue I focused on was how a CF can always be at top speed running gap to gap while corner OF's cannot because of the walls down the lines and must also give way to the CF who is in charge of the OF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted December 11, 2015 Share Posted December 11, 2015 Awefully quiet on the Heyward front. I'm really curious to see what the new contract will look like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted December 11, 2015 Share Posted December 11, 2015 QUOTE (Lillian @ Dec 11, 2015 -> 01:30 AM) The problem is that he will likely not be able to sustain that defensive prowess for the latter years of a 10 year contract. A good hitter might be able to produce big offensive production in his 30's, but elite defense is a little tougher. a very good point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted December 11, 2015 Share Posted December 11, 2015 QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Dec 11, 2015 -> 02:54 AM) Weather Alert: flash flood warning for the North Side of Chicago. A high pressure system of over zealous expectations by fans of that area will produce heavy rains from the eyes of said fans after tropical storm Heyward moves to the DC area. Heavy rains are expected to continue in the wake of tropical storm Heyward indefinitely. Take caution and plan accordingly for provisions such as rain gear, canned food, ear plugs, duct tape and it would be especially beneficial if one knows how to build a boat. End weather statement. oh man that was extremely funny and org. btw i am soooo freaking happy about heyward moving to dc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted December 11, 2015 Share Posted December 11, 2015 QUOTE (LDF @ Dec 10, 2015 -> 09:02 PM) oh man that was extremely funny and org. btw i am soooo freaking happy about heyward moving to dc I'm just havin' a bit of fun to pass the time. There's probably a heck of a bidding war going on between the Nat's, Angels, Cards and baby bears. Really curious to see which ones caughs up the money and for how much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted December 11, 2015 Share Posted December 11, 2015 QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Dec 11, 2015 -> 03:07 AM) I'm just havin' a bit of fun to pass the time. There's probably a heck of a bidding war going on between the Nat's, Angels, Cards and baby bears. Really curious to see which ones caughs up the money and for how much. oops my bad i thought it was a final verdict. . but seriously that was some funny s***. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 11, 2015 Share Posted December 11, 2015 QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Dec 10, 2015 -> 08:58 PM) Awefully quiet on the Heyward front. I'm really curious to see what the new contract will look like. Lots of years and s***tons of money Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted December 11, 2015 Share Posted December 11, 2015 (edited) QUOTE (LDF @ Dec 10, 2015 -> 09:12 PM) oops my bad i thought it was a final verdict. . but seriously that was some funny s***. Thank you sir. Just trying to liven things up a bit. QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 11, 2015 -> 10:01 AM) Lots of years and s***tons of money You aren't kidding! This could be a fun weekend if Heyward signs today with Cespedes, Upton and Gordon possible signing shortly after Heyward. Edited December 11, 2015 by BlackSox13 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shysocks Posted December 11, 2015 Share Posted December 11, 2015 I keep reading this thread title and thinking it's referring to Jason Heyward's tendency to talk. ie Jason Heyward talks. Jason Heyward eats. Jason Heyward plays professional baseball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted December 11, 2015 Share Posted December 11, 2015 Heyward is so overrated. His stats and hitting stance/swing do not translate to long term statistical success. He will never live up to whatever massive contract that he acquires. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted December 11, 2015 Share Posted December 11, 2015 19 HR 68 RBI 17 SB 72 BB 123 K .268 AVG .353 OBP .431 SLG .784 OPS Averages in career. He hasn't hit more than 14 HR in 4 seasons. Basically his career averages are close to Adam Eaton's 2015 season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special K Posted December 11, 2015 Share Posted December 11, 2015 QUOTE (knightni @ Dec 11, 2015 -> 10:20 AM) 19 HR 68 RBI 17 SB 72 BB 123 K .268 AVG .353 OBP .431 SLG .784 OPS Averages in career. He hasn't hit more than 14 HR in 4 seasons. Basically his career averages are close to Adam Eaton's 2015 season. Well put. That's why I'd prefer Upton. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted December 11, 2015 Share Posted December 11, 2015 I'm thinking this may be an arod/pujols scenario where there's a number of teams in the race and then all the sudden the number is way over what people expected. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchetman Posted December 11, 2015 Share Posted December 11, 2015 QUOTE (bmags @ Dec 11, 2015 -> 10:31 AM) I'm thinking this may be an arod/pujols scenario where there's a number of teams in the race and then all the sudden the number is way over what people expected. Don't these people ever learn? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted December 11, 2015 Share Posted December 11, 2015 QUOTE (knightni @ Dec 11, 2015 -> 10:20 AM) 19 HR 68 RBI 17 SB 72 BB 123 K .268 AVG .353 OBP .431 SLG .784 OPS Averages in career. He hasn't hit more than 14 HR in 4 seasons. Basically his career averages are close to Adam Eaton's 2015 season. I like advanced stats but in this case I'd agree with the traditional types. He's a really good player. 5-6 WAR player usually. He's an excellent defender and baserunner. If I'm paying $200 million though, I need you to hit for power. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted December 11, 2015 Share Posted December 11, 2015 QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Dec 11, 2015 -> 11:48 AM) I like advanced stats but in this case I'd agree with the traditional types. He's a really good player. 5-6 WAR player usually. He's an excellent defender and baserunner. If I'm paying $200 million though, I need you to hit for power. His defending and baserunning will seriously regress over the life of that contract. What's left is a borderline starter with a top 10 contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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