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QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Dec 15, 2015 -> 06:54 PM)
I'd have to assume that he'd be the DH.

 

He's probably going to have to play 1st base at some point. The amount of runs he sacrifices on defense basically nullifies anything positive he does on offense.

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QUOTE (Baron @ Dec 15, 2015 -> 07:58 PM)
He's probably going to have to play 1st base at some point. The amount of runs he sacrifices on defense basically nullifies anything positive he does on offense.

And soon we'd be saying how can we get rid of that salary?

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QUOTE (Al Lopez's Ghost @ Dec 15, 2015 -> 07:12 PM)
And soon we'd be saying how can we get rid of that salary?

 

It's one of the worst contracts in baseball. The Tigers were given a miracle that was the Texas Rangers. Let's not do the same thing.

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Fielder is like a much more expensive version of Ethier, in the sense that acquiring him for another team at least becomes arguable or debatable because of his performance recovery in 2016...but...you're still looking to give almost nothing in terms of prospects and also get back X amount of that salary in return to make it more palatable for the ownership group.

 

Something like the Thome deal for the White Sox, where they had to open up a spot for Ryan Howard and Thome was also perceived to be damaged goods to an extent as he was rehabbing from an injury and full recovery wasn't considered a 100% certainty at that time.

 

In general, it's probably a risk to be avoided because of the long-term commitment and uncertainty about how Fielder's health will hold up, but making one of these types of moves (more financial than prospect-based) would be more attractive to the fanbase.

 

Still, highly unlikely, especially with LaRoche, Abreu, Cabrera and Avi already representing four DH's. Micah Johnson, if you want to think outside of the box and include a fifth.

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QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Dec 15, 2015 -> 06:30 PM)
Why would Texas make that deal for anything other than salary relief?

Texas is looking for a right handed hitter and pitching. It would open up salary for them and the Sox could send Avi with LaRoche. Fielder's salary is 24M per year through the '20 season but 6M per year is payed by the tigers which is why I'd consider it. Fielder does bring a left handed power bat that gets on base, albeit a base clogger. :lol:

 

That said, there are certain better ideas to entertain.

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I want Jake Lamb. Sounds like he could be had with Drury able to take his place.

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Prince had 1 bad year. Yes his contract is really bad, but the Rangers aren't dumping him for nothing. They are trying to win now and Prince will help them do that. Trading the farm for Hamels and then dumping Prince for our trash would be questionable at best. Nor should we be looking to absorb that contract either.

 

Edit: The Tigers are still on the hook for $30M of Fielder's contract. So that means Texas has him at 5/$90M going forward. Which sounds about market value...he might even get more than that if he was a FA right now. So yeah, he's not getting traded for LaRoche.

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QUOTE (TheFutureIsNear @ Dec 15, 2015 -> 08:41 PM)
Prince had 1 bad year. Yes his contract is really bad, but the Rangers aren't dumping him for nothing. They are trying to win now and Prince will help them do that. Trading the farm for Hamels and then dumping Prince for our trash would be questionable at best. Nor should we be looking to absorb that contract either.

 

Edit: The Tigers are still on the hook for $30M of Fielder's contract. So that means Texas has him at 5/$90M going forward. Which sounds about market value...he might even get more than that if he was a FA right now. So yeah, he's not getting traded for LaRoche.

He put up an .841 OPS and still only accumulated 1.6 WAR. He would not get that much money as a DH on the free agent market, he'll be 32 next year, and does not have the type of body that ages well. 5/$90M going forward is a terrible contract that I want no part of, Tigers got lucky.

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QUOTE (TheFutureIsNear @ Dec 16, 2015 -> 02:41 AM)
Prince had 1 bad year. Yes his contract is really bad, but the Rangers aren't dumping him for nothing. They are trying to win now and Prince will help them do that. Trading the farm for Hamels and then dumping Prince for our trash would be questionable at best. Nor should we be looking to absorb that contract either.

 

Edit: The Tigers are still on the hook for $30M of Fielder's contract. So that means Texas has him at 5/$90M going forward. Which sounds about market value...he might even get more than that if he was a FA right now. So yeah, he's not getting traded for LaRoche.

 

the main question here and it is mostly a rhetorical one, is Tx looking to do a salary dump. as it was said earlier, he was being made available to other teams.

 

now if Tx looking to maybe get some mileage out of him and thinking that teams would pay for another hitter as they other teams are being rumored to?

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QUOTE (striker @ Dec 15, 2015 -> 08:02 PM)
I want Jake Lamb. Sounds like he could be had with Drury able to take his place.

Interesting 3B candidate who should be relatively cheap. Lawrie could slide to 2B.

 

A back-up plan if we don't land Frazier, perhaps?

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QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Dec 16, 2015 -> 03:24 PM)
Interesting 3B candidate who should be relatively cheap. Lawrie could slide to 2B.

 

A back-up plan if we don't land Frazier, perhaps?

 

and that is a great reason why the FO needs a game plan..... to deal with the unexpected "what if" situation that will pop up.

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QUOTE (LDF @ Dec 16, 2015 -> 08:27 AM)
and that is a great reason why the FO needs a game plan..... to deal with the unexpected "what if" situation that will pop up.

 

FO has to have back up plans. Probably 3 of them. If the price isn't right, just move on to plan B

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QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Dec 16, 2015 -> 08:24 AM)
Interesting 3B candidate who should be relatively cheap. Lawrie could slide to 2B.

 

A back-up plan if we don't land Frazier, perhaps?

 

But not a plan that you can easily sell as seriously competing this season...

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I saw Brandon Phillips' name come up recently. He's getting older, but is only under contract for two more years at a fairly reasonable salary, is still productive, and is probably still at least a 2.0 WAR player. Upgrade at 2B, keep Lawrie at 3B and Sanchez/Saladino can handle SS/Utility.

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I like the Name Lamb idea. What does AZ need that the Sox could send their way in a trade if Lamb is available?

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QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Dec 16, 2015 -> 10:57 AM)
But not a plan that you can easily sell as seriously competing this season...

If you land Upton, Gordon or Cespedes it does. I think at this point the Sox fans care more about the standings than the headlines. The Lamb deal won't get much attention in the headlines but it's a much more sustainable long term approach than two years of Frazier, IMO.

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QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Dec 16, 2015 -> 11:01 AM)
I like the Name Lamb idea. What does AZ need that the Sox could send their way in a trade if Lamb is available?

AZ is in win now mode and needs bullpen help. The closer market is hot right now so I'd offer Robertson and Garcia for Lamb, Peralta and a top 5 prospect. We'd have to replace Robertson but we'd also free up $13m that could be used to dump Laroche and sign Upton or Cespedes.

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QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Dec 16, 2015 -> 10:01 AM)
I like the Name Lamb idea. What does AZ need that the Sox could send their way in a trade if Lamb is available?

Closer? Ziegler seemed to have a pretty decent year for them last year as the closer, but it seemed to be more of a career year, and he's 36. If you're someone that wants to get rid of Robertson's contract, maybe they'd be a target. They just created a solid rotation, so why not lock down the bullpen, too? If you don't want to give up on Robertson yet (and I don't), maybe work a package around Nate Jones.

 

2B? They could probably use an upgrade at 2B, but I'm not sure we have anything that qualifies as such.

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QUOTE (striker @ Dec 16, 2015 -> 09:33 AM)
AZ is in win now mode and needs bullpen help. The closer market is hot right now so I'd offer Robertson and Garcia for Lamb, Peralta and a top 5 prospect. We'd have to replace Robertson but we'd also free up $13m that could be used to dump Laroche and sign Upton or Cespedes.

 

The DBacks wouldn't trade Peralta for any young Indians' starter (Kluber isn't available).

 

5-ish WAR, high OBP, young/cost-controlled, they would ask for a lot more than Robertson and Avi would be totally useless in that huge outfield. Undoubtely Quintana or Anderson/Fulmer for Peralta.

 

Why wouldn't they simply have signed KRod and subsequently have kept Peralta, Pollock and Tomas as their OF if closer was really their top priority?

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QUOTE (striker @ Dec 16, 2015 -> 10:33 AM)
AZ is in win now mode and needs bullpen help. The closer market is hot right now so I'd offer Robertson and Garcia for Lamb, Peralta and a top 5 prospect. We'd have to replace Robertson but we'd also free up $13m that could be used to dump Laroche and sign Upton or Cespedes.

 

More like Robertson, Garcia and a top 5 prospect (and probably more) for Lamb and Peralta. Lamb is young, good and under team control until 2021. He's not even arb eligible until 2018. Peralta is a stud and also under team control until 2021 and not arb eligible until 2018.

 

Robertson may still have value, but how much is debatable. Garcia has no value right now other than as a prospect.

 

If you want Lamb and Peralta, you're deal will involve Quintana.

 

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QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Dec 16, 2015 -> 11:43 AM)
The DBacks wouldn't trade Peralta for any young Indians' starter (Kluber isn't available).

 

5-ish WAR, high OBP, young/cost-controlled, they would ask for a lot more than Robertson and Avi would be totally useless in that huge outfield. Undoubtely Quintana or Anderson/Fulmer for Peralta.

 

Why wouldn't they simply have signed KRod and subsequently have kept Peralta, Pollock and Tomas as their OF if closer was really their top priority?

Peralta's high WAR was 3.7, which to your point is still asking a lot. But they just gave a lot for Miller, so I'm willing to risk asking a lot.

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i just don't see az moving either of those players. they have a nice, good hitting group to challenge for a playoff spot in the west. i don't see them moving any key players, maybe some key prospect for the right missing piece

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Not sure if this belongs here since the thread is for viable trade candidates, but what about signing guys like Austin Jackson or Gerardo Parra?

 

And I'm still on the CarGo bandwagon. You're going to pay out the ears and be locked in long term and lose a draft pick for Upton and Gordon (maybe not quite as long term for Gordon). You're going to pay out the ears and be locked in long term for Cespedes. Those guys are all looking at $20+ million per year. CarGo will cost you some of your better prospects, so that nullifies keeping a draft pick, but you're only on the hook for $17 million next year and $20 million in 2017. That's below market value for a guy like him. Imagine what he'd be getting if he were a FA right now.

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QUOTE (PorkChopExpress @ Dec 16, 2015 -> 11:45 AM)
More like Robertson, Garcia and a top 5 prospect (and probably more) for Lamb and Peralta. Lamb is young, good and under team control until 2021. He's not even arb eligible until 2018. Peralta is a stud and also under team control until 2021 and not arb eligible until 2018.

 

Robertson may still have value, but how much is debatable. Garcia has no value right now other than as a prospect.

 

If you want Lamb and Peralta, you're deal will involve Quintana.

You guys are talking about a team that just gave up a 3WAR player and two of their top 4 prospects, including the #1 draft pick for SHELBY MILLER, who has had one year of success. You are giving AZ too much credit if you ask me. Peralta is 28 and has had one good year.

 

You can't even argue WAR either because from a WAR perspective Miller = Inciarte. If you are talking value, Inciarte > Miller because he has more years of control.

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