Swingandalongonetoleft Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 (edited) QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 16, 2015 -> 12:00 PM) If that is really her photo on her twitter page, I believe everything she says. Yes, I believe those look like credible sources. Edited December 16, 2015 by Swingandalongonetoleft Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 QUOTE (dpd9189 @ Dec 16, 2015 -> 12:43 PM) I would prefer if Hahn shot Garcia out of a cannon and out of town. That would certainly make his exit more entertaining Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Dec 16, 2015 -> 12:10 PM) If the Warriors don't win the NBA championship this past year, I'm not sure this deal gets done as is. Probably Trayce's most valuable asset to is his name value. This is just a silly statement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaconOnAStick Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 I want this to work very badly, but I've seen this before and other than Thome it hasn't worked. I would've been fine with Micah, Montas and something else other than Trayce. Not happy but still OK with it. Thompson was a cheap, low risk guy to start the season splitting AB's in RF. If he succeeded the Sox have him under control for years, if he didn't at least they tried. It's not like Thompson wouldve had some huge financial and prospects-in-a-trade investment tied up in him. Anderson and Owens aren't reasons to give up on Thompson, Sox can't just write off minor league call ups because they have been burned before and aren't on some arbitrary top 100 list. More than half the Sox lineup is still pretty worthless, would've rather seen a quantity of replacements at more positions than ransacking youthful replacements close to the majors to fill a vacancy they filled literally 2 weeks ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donny Lucy's Avocado Farm Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 QUOTE (Baron @ Dec 16, 2015 -> 01:44 PM) That would certainly make his exit more entertaining They've already traded 2 of the 4 pieces that came back from the Jake Peavy trade. Maybe the next trade involves the other two. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 QUOTE (chitownsportsfan @ Dec 16, 2015 -> 12:39 PM) I don't really get the logic. The team is better on paper today than it was yesterday. Is the roster perfect? Hell no but one thing at a time. At least now they have some legit proven everyday infielders and won't be trotting out marginal guys like Sanchez, Micah and an aging overpriced Ramirez. The team has a s*** load of holes a couple are now filled. More work needs to be done and some positive regression will go a long way. This is very accurate. This is a much better, but still flawed team. Not quite sure why a team has to be a playoff team to be watchable, but to each his own. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmarComing25 Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 16, 2015 -> 12:42 PM) I think it continues the "High spending, low impact, weak system" philosophy we've seen and failed with for the last decade. We'll get a fine player, but even when we dump a ton of money into a back loaded contract for an OF in a couple weeks, we'll still be FAR behind the teams at the top of the division that have developed their own guys, we'll still see the same failures, we have absolutely zero depth if anyone gets hurt, and even with the big spending OF we'll still have multiple major holes in the lineup. And no, I can't tell you which guy the White Sox acquire will underperform, or which guy will get hurt, but it's the same gamble as last year. Bet the house, no plans for what to do when things go wrong, ignore the fact that things do go wrong. Same story again and again. I disagree that we'd be FAR behind the teams in our division. What have the Twins done? The Royals lost a ton this offseason and got career years out of a few guys. The Indians should be better in 2016 than in 2015 but they're far from some juggernaut of a team. The Tigers still have little pitching. The AL Central is pretty wide open. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 QUOTE (Alexeihyeess @ Dec 16, 2015 -> 12:45 PM) More than half the Sox lineup is still pretty worthless, would've rather seen a quantity of replacements at more positions than ransacking youthful replacements close to the majors to fill a vacancy they filled literally 2 weeks ago. Enlighten me. Which of these 5 (out of 9, to say more than half) are worthless? LF- Melky CF- Eaton RF- Garcia 3B- Frazier SS- Saladino 2B- Lawrie 1B- Abreu DH- LaRoche C- Avila/Navarro I'd only define 2 as "worthless". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knackattack Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 (edited) QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 16, 2015 -> 10:42 AM) I think it continues the "High spending, low impact, weak system" philosophy we've seen and failed with for the last decade. We'll get a fine player, but even when we dump a ton of money into a back loaded contract for an OF in a couple weeks, we'll still be FAR behind the teams at the top of the division that have developed their own guys, we'll still see the same failures, we have absolutely zero depth if anyone gets hurt, and even with the big spending OF we'll still have multiple major holes in the lineup. And no, I can't tell you which guy the White Sox acquire will underperform, or which guy will get hurt, but it's the same gamble as last year. Bet the house, no plans for what to do when things go wrong, ignore the fact that things do go wrong. Same story again and again. If you replace Avi Garcia with Justin Upton, I don't think any team in the division has a better line-up, and our starting pitching is top tier as well. Eaton Melky Abreu Upton Frazier LaRoche Lawrie Avila/Navarro Saladino That's a strong line-up with some decent speed and power. Not to mention you have one of the best defensive left sides of the infield in baseball Edited December 16, 2015 by Knackattack Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 Replacing Garcia and the lineup is going to look a whole lot different with the infielders we added and the new catching combination. Really if you replace him with Upton the real stinker is you still have LaRoche. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shysocks Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 QUOTE (chitownsportsfan @ Dec 16, 2015 -> 12:42 PM) That described 2/3 of the teams in MLB. The 2nd WC makes a big difference. For once perhaps some guys exceed expectations. I know it's a stretch but what if Avi isn't really a 0 WAR player? Stranger things have happened. Is it likely? No, but you don't just wait around for the perfect storm to try and build a monster club. The Cubs did it but it's not f***ing easy and most teams are in the same boat the Sox are. The likelihood is the key part of the equation though. If you're gonna trade future for present, you have to be confident that the result will be reasonably likely to make the postseason. In my mind, the Sox are not at that level. If they fix Avi's slot, they'll be closer, and then I'll find the Frazier trade more acceptable. In a vaccum, we got a good return for some pieces I'll miss a little. It's not a vacuum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YouCanPutItOnTheBoardYES! Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 It would be amazing if the Sox got Upton/Cespedes, dumped LaRoche, moved Melky to DH and signed a guy like Gerardo Parra to play left field. That would be awesome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justBLAZE Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 QUOTE (Baron @ Dec 16, 2015 -> 01:49 PM) Replacing Garcia and the lineup is going to look a whole lot different with the infielders we added and the new catching combination. Really if you replace him with Upton the real stinker is you still have LaRoche. And then he might bounce back to his career norm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 QUOTE (shysocks @ Dec 16, 2015 -> 12:49 PM) The likelihood is the key part of the equation though. If you're gonna trade future for present, you have to be confident that the result will be reasonably likely to make the postseason. In my mind, the Sox are not at that level. If they fix Avi's slot, they'll be closer, and then I'll find the Frazier trade more acceptable. In a vaccum, we got a good return for some pieces I'll miss a little. It's not a vacuum. Except we didn't really trade "the future". We traded flawed players that needed a lot to go right to be "the future". The Future is still here in Anderson, Fulmer, and Adams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 QUOTE (Knuckles @ Dec 16, 2015 -> 12:50 PM) And then he might bounce back to his career norm. If he can atleast contribute a little that would only be a plus. But that lineup is already drastically different than last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaconOnAStick Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 Enlighten me. Which of these 5 (out of 9, to say more than half) are worthless? LF- Melky CF- Eaton RF- Garcia 3B- Frazier SS- Saladino 2B- Lawrie 1B- Abreu DH- LaRoche C- Avila/Navarro I'd only define 2 as "worthless". Melky, Avi, Saladino, LaRoche and the catcher platoon is an impressive collection of bench talent, if that, that the Sox will have killing the rallies started by Lawrie, Frazier, Abreu and Eaton (for the purposes of this argument and my sanity going forward I'll just pretend Frazier and Lawrie will be fine ballplayers). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
royoung Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 For those of you who are bemoaning what we gave up, I'll just say the Sox are traditionally very good at knowing what they have in their own prospects. It was becoming more and more apparent that Montas was headed to the bullpen and Micah Johnson has a great offensive skill-set but could not stay healthy and had a lot of defensive shortcomings. As for Trayce Thompson, over seven(!) minor league seasons, he is a career .241/.319/.429 hitter. Not a single person on this message board would of been crying if we flipped in July for anything of value. His MLB debut was great, but it was a very small sample size and it is likely he will regress heavily in 2016. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Dec 16, 2015 -> 12:48 PM) I'd only define 2 as "worthless". Let's not get too carried away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boopa1219 Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 This trade sucks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 QUOTE (Knackattack @ Dec 16, 2015 -> 10:48 AM) If you replace Avi Garcia with Justin Upton, I don't think any team in the division has a better line-up, and our starting pitching is top tier as well. Eaton Melky Abreu Upton Frazier LaRoche Lawrie Avila/Navarro Saladino That's a strong line-up with some decent speed and power. Not to mention you have one of the best defensive left sides of the infield in baseball The team has clearly upgraded 2B, 3B, and catcher. If we upgrade the outfield, in theory, we also will have significantly upgraded the bench and our DH spot. So we'd be a deeper team that upgraded numerous positions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knackattack Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 Even just signing Parra for RF is an immense offensive, and defensive improvement and would probably make this team an instant contender. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawkfan Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 Improvement at a fair price. Good trade. Farm developing complainers can go to another thread, please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 QUOTE (Alexeihyeess @ Dec 16, 2015 -> 12:52 PM) Melky, Avi, Saladino, LaRoche and the catcher platoon is an impressive collection of bench talent, if that, that the Sox will have killing the rallies started by Lawrie, Frazier, Abreu and Eaton (for the purposes of this argument and my sanity going forward I'll just pretend Frazier and Lawrie will be fine ballplayers). Avi and LaRoche, I'll give you as "worthless". But, IMO, Melky's RBI's/average gives him worth, as does Saladino's defense, and the catchers, given that it's by far the weakest position in baseball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 QUOTE (Joshua Strong @ Dec 16, 2015 -> 06:53 PM) This trade sucks Must be quoting a Reds fan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 David Haugh @DavidHaugh 3m3 minutes ago Jose Abreu's reaction to White Sox trade for Todd Frazier, in English from El Floridita: "He's a good player who can hit. I love it." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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