Dick Allen Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 QUOTE (fathom @ Dec 17, 2015 -> 11:13 AM) Just seems like everyone on the station feels only way to be successful is via complete tanking/rebuilding. Because...Cubs. I pointed out yesterday, the only 2 players Theo drafted for the Cubs who have actually played for the Cubs are Bryant and Schwarber. They were lucky to get Bryant. All the other players could have been acquired while trying to remain competitive. If Houston drafted Bryant, the whole Cubs tank would have been for Kyle Schwarber, and maybe at a later date, Almora. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 QUOTE (fathom @ Dec 17, 2015 -> 11:13 AM) Just seems like everyone on the station feels only way to be successful is via complete tanking/rebuilding. It really is. That station is at the point of being unlistenable for every program now. This is almost across all Chicago media now where the story is, the White Sox are not the cubs. Every move the cubs make is gold and every move the Sox make is going to fail. I loved when the WGN morning show felt the need to point out Frazier is going to be 30 and hit poorly in the second half of 2015. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 17, 2015 -> 11:19 AM) Because...Cubs. I pointed out yesterday, the only 2 players Theo drafted for the Cubs who have actually played for the Cubs are Bryant and Schwarber. They were lucky to get Bryant. All the other players could have been acquired while trying to remain competitive. If Houston drafted Bryant, the whole Cubs tank would have been for Kyle Schwarber, and maybe at a later date, Almora. The Rizzo, Russell and Arrieta gifts via trade as well as the Maddon gift via Tampa....how the Dodgers did not grab Maddon is an absolute mystery. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmarComing25 Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 QUOTE (Harry Chappas @ Dec 17, 2015 -> 11:19 AM) It really is. That station is at the point of being unlistenable for every program now. This is almost across all Chicago media now where the story is, the White Sox are not the cubs. Every move the cubs make is gold and every move the Sox make is going to fail. I loved when the WGN morning show felt the need to point out Frazier is going to be 30 and hit poorly in the second half of 2015. That's the same age as Arrieta, is anyone trying to say he is old? I don't get it, if 30 is so old then the Cubs should have stayed far away from Zobrist and Lackey. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 When the Cubs signed Zobrist, did anyone mention his defense dropped by 25.9 dWAR. Of course not Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 QUOTE (fathom @ Dec 17, 2015 -> 11:28 AM) When the Cubs signed Zobrist, did anyone mention his defense dropped by 25.9 dWAR. Of course not He's definitely better in RF than 2b...he won't kill you like a Murphy or Avi/Viciedo, but he has been slipping. That said, he was quietly an offensive force last year in the second half. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Dec 17, 2015 -> 05:32 PM) He's definitely better in RF than 2b...he won't kill you like a Murphy or Avi/Viciedo, but he has been slipping. He had a worse year defensively last year than Murphy ever has. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 (edited) QUOTE (fathom @ Dec 17, 2015 -> 11:28 AM) When the Cubs signed Zobrist, did anyone mention his defense dropped by 25.9 dWAR. Of course not I did on Twitter that night. Big mistake. Apparently the prospect that he can play 7 positions outweighs the fact that he wasnt good at it. Edited December 17, 2015 by Baron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackmooncreeping Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 QUOTE (fathom @ Dec 17, 2015 -> 10:01 AM) Hahn also was talking about Avi next year and said something along the lines of "if no one else is added and he gets 500 at bats" good God..no RH, NO! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 I am still waiting to see Arrieta's arbitration numbers. Boras v cubs could be interesting as I am pretty certain Boras does not care about the feel good story that is the Chicago cubs. I could see Boras asking for $25M for Arrieta in arbitration Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 QUOTE (fathom @ Dec 17, 2015 -> 11:28 AM) When the Cubs signed Zobrist, did anyone mention his defense dropped by 25.9 dWAR. Of course not Bernstein did. He's always been a big Zobrist fan but he was worried about the length of the deal and paying for past performance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpd9189 Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 QUOTE (daggins @ Dec 17, 2015 -> 10:23 AM) They're close, though. They already project to be around the middle of the pack in the AL. Need more from the OF corners. They've improved but I don't think they're that close just yet. Need to see how the rest of the offseason plays out. Remember other AL teams will get better as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 QUOTE (Harry Chappas @ Dec 17, 2015 -> 11:40 AM) I am still waiting to see Arrieta's arbitration numbers. Boras v cubs could be interesting as I am pretty certain Boras does not care about the feel good story that is the Chicago cubs. I could see Boras asking for $25M for Arrieta in arbitration He would lose. I think the projection is about $10-11 million. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmarComing25 Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 QUOTE (fathom @ Dec 17, 2015 -> 11:34 AM) He had a worse year defensively last year than Murphy ever has. Wasn't it partly due to coming off knee surgery? Though Zobrist is one of those guys that is hard to peg defensively because of all the crazy shifts the Rays did with him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spiderman Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 QUOTE (daggins @ Dec 17, 2015 -> 10:23 AM) They're close, though. They already project to be around the middle of the pack in the AL. Need more from the OF corners. If they got one more hitter in the middle of that lineup, I think they could be close. Right now, I see Abreu in the #3 hole, Lawrie in the #6 and Frazier probably in the #5 spot. They could slide Melky Cabrera or Adam La Roche into the middle of the lineup at times, but one run producer is needed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 QUOTE (spiderman @ Dec 17, 2015 -> 12:16 PM) If they got one more hitter in the middle of that lineup, I think they could be close. Right now, I see Abreu in the #3 hole, Lawrie in the #6 and Frazier probably in the #5 spot. They could slide Melky Cabrera or Adam La Roche into the middle of the lineup at times, but one run producer is needed. I think that has been established. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lillian Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Dec 17, 2015 -> 11:04 AM) Why are you so adamant about having a high obp guy behind Abreu? Obviously you want high obp guys everywhere but it's much more important to have one in front of him as opposed to behind him. It isn't so much a matter of having that high OBP behind Abreu, as it is having another high OBP in the heart of the order. At this point, Abreu is the only high OBP hitter, in the 3 through 5 spots. Frazier cannot be expected to fulfill that need. Even with all of his power, he has not been a high on base guy. La Roche we all know can't be counted on, and shouldn't even sniff the middle of the order. Laurie's OBP has not been good, so far. I actually prefer Melky batting more in the middle of the order, versus RHP, but his OBP is not that great either. I think this team needs a big bat, with an OBP of at least .340 to .350 to hit with Abreu and Frazier, in the heart of the order. That would make the offense very formidable and this team would be serious contenders. It probably wouldn't matter how much offense they would get from the bottom 3RD of the order, if they can score runs from the first 6 guys in the lineup. Eaton gets on base a lot, but after him, the only high OBP hitter on this roster is Jose. I'm afraid that will leave us all pretty frustrated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 Amazing how bitter the Score seems towards the Sox today. Even the Score updates are finding a way to highlight "how much" the Sox gave up for Frazier. I have a feeling things are going to get ugly between the franchise and the Cubbie Radio Network Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saufley Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 QUOTE (ChiSox59 @ Dec 17, 2015 -> 09:30 AM) Can't get that link to work..someone who can please summarize what RH says! Thanks! I would rather have someone summarize than listen to the WSCR goofs! I don't do WSCR anymore! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 With the White Sox off of the Score, I have no idea why anyone listens to that garbage anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 17, 2015 -> 01:44 PM) With the White Sox off of the Score, I have no idea why anyone listens to that garbage anymore. I still think Boers and Bernstein is the best radio show in the city. It's weird that it's so Anti-Sox because they have the most Sox fans at their station I believe. Bernstein, Goff, Mully, Laurence, Tannehill are all Sox fans. I think DeFalco is the only Sox fan on 1000. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PorkChopExpress Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 QUOTE (Lillian @ Dec 17, 2015 -> 01:51 PM) It isn't so much a matter of having that high OBP behind Abreu, as it is having another high OBP in the heart of the order. At this point, Abreu is the only high OBP hitter, in the 3 through 5 spots. Frazier cannot be expected to fulfill that need. Even with all of his power, he has not been a high on base guy. La Roche we all know can't be counted on, and shouldn't even sniff the middle of the order. Laurie's OBP has not been good, so far. I actually prefer Melky batting more in the middle of the order, versus RHP, but his OBP is not that great either. I think this team needs a big bat, with an OBP of at least .340 to .350 to hit with Abreu and Frazier, in the heart of the order. That would make the offense very formidable and this team would be serious contenders. It probably wouldn't matter how much offense they would get from the bottom 3RD of the order, if they can score runs from the first 6 guys in the lineup. Eaton gets on base a lot, but after him, the only high OBP hitter on this roster is Jose. I'm afraid that will leave us all pretty frustrated. Upton. Boom. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoGoSox2k2 Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Dec 17, 2015 -> 02:24 PM) I still think Boers and Bernstein is the best radio show in the city. It's weird that it's so Anti-Sox because they have the most Sox fans at their station I believe. Bernstein, Goff, Mully, Laurence, Tannehill are all Sox fans. I think DeFalco is the only Sox fan on 1000. pretty sure both Boers & Bernstein are "technically" Sox fans, or at least the Sox are there team Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGajewski18 Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 No clue where to put this, but John Smoltz just called Quintana a #3-4 type guy in the rotation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Dec 17, 2015 -> 02:24 PM) I still think Boers and Bernstein is the best radio show in the city. It's weird that it's so Anti-Sox because they have the most Sox fans at their station I believe. Bernstein, Goff, Mully, Laurence, Tannehill are all Sox fans. I think DeFalco is the only Sox fan on 1000. They are 50,000 watt trolls. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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