bmags Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 Sure, but that's what not stupid people do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrimsonWeltall Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 QUOTE (JenksIsMyHero @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 03:46 PM) Hillary supporters are/would be the same. That's just where we are in 2016 as a country. Elections have become American Idol competitions. The truth doesn't matter, just how it's all presented. Bruh, come on. Trump is hitting unprecedented levels of dishonesty. This isn't typical political dishonesty like wordplay or spin. It's making up things out of whole cloth knowing that they can be trivially fact-checked and proven wrong. He literally DOES NOT CARE about the truth value of his statements. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrimsonWeltall Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 QUOTE (pettie4sox @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 06:01 PM) Trump is a scary and reckless individual. The likes of Mitt Romney would be welcome this election. How far would you have to go back to find a GOP nominee worse than Donald Trump? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostfan Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 (edited) QUOTE (CrimsonWeltall @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 04:46 PM) How far would you have to go back to find a GOP nominee worse than Donald Trump? You have to go back to pre-desegregation days and those were Democrats, but even then they had a clue in terms of policy and whatnot and weren't con artists. I guess the only thing close is Goldwater in '64 though. They had "I'm a Republican but I'm voting Democrat because Goldwater terrifies me" ads Edited August 1, 2016 by Ezio Auditore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 QUOTE (Ezio Auditore @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 03:56 PM) You have to go back to pre-desegregation days and those were Democrats, but even then they had a clue in terms of policy and whatnot and weren't con artists. I guess the only thing close is Goldwater in '64 though. They had "I'm a Republican but I'm voting Democrat because Goldwater terrifies me" ads Goldwater had kooky/arguably racist ideas, but he wasn't incompetent and ignorant in the same sort of way that Trump is. He still had a couple of decades in the Senate after that. He at least understood policy and the world around him in a coherent if wrong worldview. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 Goldwater ran with the segregationists in 64, hard to say it was arguably racist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 QUOTE (bmags @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 04:08 PM) Goldwater ran with the segregationists in 64, hard to say it was arguably racist. Oh the Goldwater movement itself was definitely fueled by the Bircher racist crowds, I guess I'm speaking more of the man's personal politics than specifically that campaign. Maybe I'm giving the man who credibly got the "Daisy" ad deployed against him and ran "in your heart, you know he's right" billboards too much credit, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 (edited) 7 point Clinton bounce in the CNN poll, 12 point total swing since their post-RNC poll. Sahil Kapur ✔ @sahilkapur New CNN/ORC poll (after Dem convention) Clinton 52% (+7) Trump 43% (-5) 4:03 PM - 1 Aug 2016 Also part of that poll, related to what jenks was asking: One poll in late July, throw it into the aggregater with the rest etc. This is also pre-Khan meltdown: Josh Barro ✔ @jbarro CNN poll shows Clinton's favorable rating rising 3 points to 42, Trump's falling 10 points to 33. 4:08 PM - 1 Aug 2016 And 538's now-cast reflecting the DNC/Khan meltdown boost Now-cast is obviously wildly swingy, so here's the polls-plus model Expect it to take until the end of the week for the Khan fallout to really show up. Trump already 'pondering' about Clinton rigging the election in his rally today. One last update from the CNN poll! dznyc @dznyc @Nate_Cohn the 4-way matchup has both Jill Stein (8%) and Gary Johnson (8%) leading Trump (7%) among non-white voters! 4:21 PM - 1 Aug 2016 lmao Edited August 1, 2016 by StrangeSox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostfan Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 05:18 PM) Oh the Goldwater movement itself was definitely fueled by the Bircher racist crowds, I guess I'm speaking more of the man's personal politics than specifically that campaign. Maybe I'm giving the man who credibly got the "Daisy" ad deployed against him and ran "in your heart, you know he's right" billboards too much credit, though. Yeah I don't think Goldwater himself was racist necessarily (although I honestly don't know enough to say) but he was DEFINITELY firmly on the side of white supremacists that year. That's the year Jackie Robinson changed his party ID, and one of the big reasons black voters who used to be a solid Republican voting bloc started voting Democrat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 QUOTE (Ezio Auditore @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 04:32 PM) Yeah I don't think Goldwater himself was racist necessarily (although I honestly don't know enough to say) but he was DEFINITELY firmly on the side of white supremacists that year. That's the year Jackie Robinson changed his party ID, and one of the big reasons black voters who used to be a solid Republican voting bloc started voting Democrat. It's been a couple of years, but Before The Storm is a great read for political nerds about the run-up to the 1964 election. Goldwater himself was kinda like modern libertarians in that he was opposed to things like the public accommodations laws, more of an ignorant/naive racism than an outright antagonistic racism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 Donald Trump, on how he'd react if someone treated Ivanka like Ailes allegedly treated dozens of women: http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2016...olumn/87915454/ Ok there's no way he isn't trying to lose deliberately at this point, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 He's fighting against PC culture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 Green Party Candidate Jill Stein: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 Also your follow-up on how she is not anti-vaxx doesn't really seem to be holding up. But also her fleshed out response there about how we shouldn't trust government agencies like the CDC and others because they are just Big Business shills is so maddening. Oh, and your platform is to increase reach of gov't that we can't trust because it is controlled by elites? Makes sense. Good platform. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Hurtin Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 05:54 PM) Green Party Candidate Jill Stein: Wat? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigruss Posted August 2, 2016 Share Posted August 2, 2016 There isn't much sanity in the 3rd parties. Starting with the fact that they focus almost completely on the presidency, thinking that they can start change from the top...If you really want the respect of voters then you start locally and go from there. Make real changes that you can advertise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted August 2, 2016 Share Posted August 2, 2016 QUOTE (bmags @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 06:04 PM) Also your follow-up on how she is not anti-vaxx doesn't really seem to be holding up. But also her fleshed out response there about how we shouldn't trust government agencies like the CDC and others because they are just Big Business shills is so maddening. Oh, and your platform is to increase reach of gov't that we can't trust because it is controlled by elites? Makes sense. Good platform. She's not anti-vax, but she leaves the door open to appeal to anti-vaxxers. And yeah, her platform is "boo establishment", hence why she was pro-Brexit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigruss Posted August 2, 2016 Share Posted August 2, 2016 QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 07:32 PM) She's not anti-vax, but she leaves the door open to appeal to anti-vaxxers. And yeah, her platform is "boo establishment", hence why she was pro-Brexit. Oh, so she's not crazy just open to the crazy vote? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted August 2, 2016 Share Posted August 2, 2016 (edited) Trump: my policy to keep out terrorists is what bothered khan https://mobile.twitter.com/BuzzFeedAndrew/s...258150926782464 A man with a very good brain Edited August 2, 2016 by StrangeSox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted August 2, 2016 Share Posted August 2, 2016 QUOTE (bigruss22 @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 07:21 PM) There isn't much sanity in the 3rd parties. Starting with the fact that they focus almost completely on the presidency, thinking that they can start change from the top...If you really want the respect of voters then you start locally and go from there. Make real changes that you can advertise. Iirc there are more elected members of legitimate socialist parties in this country than there are green party office holders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted August 2, 2016 Share Posted August 2, 2016 QUOTE (bigruss22 @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 08:35 PM) Oh, so she's not crazy just open to the crazy vote? Yup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted August 2, 2016 Share Posted August 2, 2016 QUOTE (bigruss22 @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 07:35 PM) Oh, so she's not crazy just open to the crazy vote? This is pretty much every 3rd party. They know they're fringe, they focus on vanity Presidential campaigns, and so they have to be open to anyone on the same fringe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted August 2, 2016 Share Posted August 2, 2016 (edited) In his latest rally, Donald Trump literally called Hillary Clinton "the devil" and also bragged about how little he knows about NATO https://twitter.com/nick_ramsey/status/7602...src=twsrc%5Etfw This is a man who is not an idiot, and definitely not a raging narcissist who craves any form of attention, good or bad. So in a single day, Trump has: -nth-tupled down on attacking Khan, now pretty directly calling him a terrorist sympathizer at best -bragged about his ignorance on NATO despite spouting off really dumb stuff about NATO for weeks now -Called Clinton "the devil" -Started hedging his loss with "the election will be rigged" talk -Told an interviewer that anytime someone calls him out, he will respond (duh) -Said that if his daughter was sexually harassed, he hoped she'd find a new career or at least a new place to work. ~Day 4 of the General Election~ Ben Jacobs ✔ @Bencjacobs Trump is he has raised over $35 million in July which he says is "unheard of for Republicans." Romney raised $101 million in July 2012. 8:00 PM - 1 Aug 2016 Edited August 2, 2016 by StrangeSox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted August 2, 2016 Share Posted August 2, 2016 He can just reach into his billions thou Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerksticks Posted August 2, 2016 Share Posted August 2, 2016 I thought using the Muslim family with the slain soldier for political gain was pretty low. Trump responded like an idiot but the fact that the media accepted that as a headline story was just low. Just felt dirty in general and I don't think that does honor to the dead. I know everybody from both parties loves to "bring out the victims to show the human side"...just don't like it ever. Just my take Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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