Eminor3rd Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Feb 3, 2016 -> 10:30 AM) The link (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2016/02/white-sox-andre-ethier-dodgers-trade.html) made my heart skip a beat when the page didn't load the first time Haha sorry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Feb 3, 2016 -> 09:56 AM) John Danks + Chris Beck for Andre Ethier + $3.75M in 2016, $1.75M in 2017 and $2.5M in 2018. Then the Sox are short a starting pitcher, needing both Johnson AND Turner to pitch well enough to compete. Danks isn't great, but he is going to give you 200 IP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cabiness42 Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 Then the Sox are short a starting pitcher, needing both Johnson AND Turner to pitch well enough to compete. Danks isn't great, but he is going to give you 200 IP. I know Danks is a loss, but the gain from Ethier >> the loss from Danks, plus you get Ethier for two years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YouCanPutItOnTheBoardYES! Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Feb 3, 2016 -> 09:56 AM) John Danks + Chris Beck for Andre Ethier + $3.75M in 2016, $1.75M in 2017 and $2.5M in 2018. Then go convince Mark Buehrle to pitch one more year. Why would the Dodgers want Danks? They already have enough lefty pitchers as it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 Dodgers aren't going to want depth pieces. They've got TONS of depth. They're going to want prospects. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Feb 3, 2016 -> 10:01 AM) I know Danks is a loss, but the gain from Ethier >> the loss from Danks, plus you get Ethier for two years. Not if Jake Turner gets hurt again, and Johnson isn't decent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
royoung Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 I think this was posted before, if so, forgive me. Going off mlb.com depth charts, the top four starters for all of the Sox division rivals are all RHP. Thats unbelievable. Career splits of Fowler versus RHP, .252/.351/.410. Ethier? .304/.383/.507. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Feb 3, 2016 -> 10:00 AM) Then the Sox are short a starting pitcher, needing both Johnson AND Turner to pitch well enough to compete. Danks isn't great, but he is going to give you 200 IP. That doesn't make any sense though because Shuck is also LH. Doesn't really help the situation at all. Who is the platoon partner for LaRoche? Who is the platoon partner for Ethier? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Princess Dye Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 I'd be fine with Ethier if there are monetary savings involved that allow us to also address a starting pitcher spot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 QUOTE (southside hitman @ Feb 3, 2016 -> 10:09 AM) I think this was posted before, if so, forgive me. Going off mlb.com depth charts, the top four starters for all of the Sox division rivals are all RHP. Thats unbelievable. Career splits of Fowler versus RHP, .252/.351/.410. Ethier? .304/.383/.507. This is a great point hitman. I was just looking at their '15 numbers... Fowler vs RHP .228/ .331/ .395. Ethier vs RHP .306/ .383/ .517 If the Sox signed Fowler I wouldn't complain but at this point I would prefer Ethier as long as the trade is reasonable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Feb 3, 2016 -> 10:24 AM) That doesn't make any sense though because Shuck is also LH. Doesn't really help the situation at all. Who is the platoon partner for LaRoche? Who is the platoon partner for Ethier? Shuck is the only guy they have who can play CF off of the bench. He can play all 3 OF positions. He will be on the opening day roster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lasttriptotulsa Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Feb 3, 2016 -> 10:05 AM) Dodgers aren't going to want depth pieces. They've got TONS of depth. They're going to want prospects. But if they want any sort of decent prospects for Ethier they will either have to send a boatload of money or take one of LaRoche or Danks back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
royoung Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Feb 3, 2016 -> 10:32 AM) This is a great point hitman. I was just looking at their '15 numbers... Fowler vs RHP .228/ .331/ .395. Ethier vs RHP .306/ .383/ .517 If the Sox signed Fowler I wouldn't complain but at this point I would prefer Ethier as long as the trade is reasonable. Garcia does hit LHP decently, slashing .293/.353/.407 in 2015. Ethier and Garcia could "platoon" in 2016 with Ethier getting the majority of the time. Would be a major upgrade to the lineup and Sox would keep that pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Feb 3, 2016 -> 10:36 AM) Shuck is the only guy they have who can play CF off of the bench. He can play all 3 OF positions. He will be on the opening day roster. This. He'd be taking LaRoche or Avi's spot. And Avi has an option left. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 How's his defense these days? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
royoung Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Feb 3, 2016 -> 10:54 AM) This. He'd be taking LaRoche or Avi's spot. And Avi has an option left. They could carry five OF's if they wanted. Assuming they break camp with 12 pitchers, Sox bench could be Garcia, Shuck, Sanchez, and Navarro. Sanchez can backup 3B/SS/2B and LaRoche would be the backup 1B. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Feb 3, 2016 -> 10:36 AM) Shuck is the only guy they have who can play CF off of the bench. He can play all 3 OF positions. He will be on the opening day roster. Avi should be a LaRoche's platoon partner. If they acquire Ethier or another LH OF that can't hit LH pitching, they should get someone who mashes lefties. Sands comes to mind, but they aren't going to carry 6 outfielders, so something has to give (Cabrera, Eaton, Ethier (or other LH bat), Avi, Sands and Shuck). Either Avi is in AAA or Shuck/Sands is DFA in that scenario, but Shuck is the only guy that can really play CF, unless Leary finds his way on the roster. Austin Jackson AND Ethier should would be nice. vs. RHP: LF: Cabrera CF: Eaton RF: Ethier DH: LaRoche vs. LHP LF: Cabrera CF: Jackson RF: Eaton DH: Avi Shuck is 5th OF and Sands is in AAA where he belongs. Probably a pipe dream, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 QUOTE (southside hitman @ Feb 3, 2016 -> 10:44 AM) Garcia does hit LHP decently, slashing .293/.353/.407 in 2015. Ethier and Garcia could "platoon" in 2016 with Ethier getting the majority of the time. Would be a major upgrade to the lineup and Sox would keep that pick. That could work and it keeps Avi's glove off the field on most days. I had what appeared to be a decent idea until I realized it required a five man bench and with Danks/ Johnson back to back at the back of the rotation the Sox will probably want the extra arm in the pen so that idea went down the s***ter quick. Was thinking Ethier/Sands in RF, Shuck/Avi in LF, Melky DH and LaRoche on the bench. Then again, if LaRoche has a poor showing in ST...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YouCanPutItOnTheBoardYES! Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 I saw an interesting comment on MLBTradeRumors. It said something along the lines of Danks and Putnam for Ethier and $10 million...then that $10 million could be used for Latos. It probably isn't realistic, but I'd be ok if that sequence of moves happened. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lasttriptotulsa Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Feb 3, 2016 -> 11:02 AM) I saw an interesting comment on MLBTradeRumors. It said something along the lines of Danks and Putnam for Ethier and $10 million...then that $10 million could be used for Latos. It probably isn't realistic, but I'd be ok if that sequence of moves happened. They aren't going to take on Danks's full contract and send $10 million unless they get a lot better piece than Putnam back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrlesque Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 QUOTE (ChiSox59 @ Feb 3, 2016 -> 10:57 AM) Austin Jackson AND Ethier should would be nice. vs. RHP: LF: Cabrera CF: Eaton RF: Ethier DH: LaRoche vs. LHP LF: Cabrera CF: Jackson RF: Eaton DH: Avi Shuck is 5th OF and Sands is in AAA where he belongs. Probably a pipe dream, though. This is what I've been thinking lately too. Actually not that far-fetched, cost-wise. If the Dodgers pay half of Ethier's salary, that brings the Sox commitment to about $9 mil/year. Jackson earned $7.7 mil last year, and Scott Boras doesn't do pay cuts, so figure him for around $9 mil. That's about $18 mil total, which ls less than a Gordon/Cespedes salary they had the budget for. With platoons, we could expect similar overall production. This comes with the caveat that Ethier could be had relatively cheap — specifically less than or equal to the value of a comp pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 Nobody has answered my question. Lets just pretend that we added Ethier to the team for a minor leaguer. vs RHP 1. Eaton CF 2. Ethier RF 3. Abreu 1B 4. Frazier 3B 5. Cabrera LF 6. Lawrie 2B 7. LaRoche DH 8. Avila C 9. Saladino SS vs LHP 1. Eaton CF 2. Cabrera DH 3. Abreu 1B 4. Frazier 3B 5. Lawrie 2B 6. Garcia RF 7. Navarro C 8. Sands LF 9. Saladino SS This team would have a bench of Sands, Catcher Spot, Sanchez, and Garcia. It doesn't work. One of Garcia or LaRoche has to magically go somewhere if they add Ethier and they'd need a RHH OF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YouCanPutItOnTheBoardYES! Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 (edited) Assuming Ethier is acquired and Avi stays, what would the outfield situation look like on Opening Day? Eaton, Ethier, Melky, Garcia, Shuck, and Sands would all be in the mix for a spot. They would never have all 6 of them on the roster at the same time. It'll only be 4 of them most likely and I don't know who would be left out. Sands and Shuck probably, but I don't know. What a fustercluck. Edited February 3, 2016 by ChiSoxFanMike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whisox05 Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Feb 3, 2016 -> 11:22 AM) Nobody has answered my question. Lets just pretend that we added Ethier to the team for a minor leaguer. vs RHP 1. Eaton CF 2. Ethier RF 3. Abreu 1B 4. Frazier 3B 5. Cabrera LF 6. Lawrie 2B 7. LaRoche DH 8. Avila C 9. Saladino SS vs LHP 1. Eaton CF 2. Cabrera DH 3. Abreu 1B 4. Frazier 3B 5. Lawrie 2B 6. Garcia RF 7. Navarro C 8. Sands LF 9. Saladino SS This team would have a bench of Sands, Catcher Spot, Sanchez, and Garcia. It doesn't work. One of Garcia or LaRoche has to magically go somewhere if they add Ethier and they'd need a RHH OF. Probably need to replace sands with Shuck. Shuck can backup cf. Garcia would either be traded or most likely optioned since he has one option left. Might be more of leury Garcia since he can play some outfield along with infield but that kinda makes weak bench Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whisox05 Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Feb 3, 2016 -> 11:32 AM) Assuming Ethier is acquired and Avi stays, what would the outfield situation look like on Opening Day? Eaton, Ethier, Melky, Garcia, Shuck, and Sands would all be in the mix for a spot. They would never have all 6 of them on the roster at the same time. It'll only be 4 of them most likely and I don't know who would be left out. Sands and Shuck probably, but I don't know. What a fustercluck. Right now Shuck has to stay as 4th outfielder since he can back up cf. Ideally if the Sox were to aquire Ethier the best back up and platoon with him would have been Trayce but he's gone. Avi probably gets sent down if someone else gets acquired for outfield unless a miracle happens were they move Laroche and Avi maybe dhs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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