Eminor3rd Posted April 11, 2016 Share Posted April 11, 2016 QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Apr 11, 2016 -> 01:33 PM) The number being used ("over 3") is 3.57. 3.57 is definitely not 30% less than 4. You're also assuming that he never improves. (Since OP said he doesn't put up a season as good as 2014 Rollins even at full ceiling, and someone decided to make WAR the only stat being talked about) Ok, well it definitely is still 15% less. And you could remove that line and still have all the same arguments. I would agree with the sentiment of the poster that Saladino has shown us literally nothing to indicate that he has a 4WAR season in him somewhere. It's possible he reaches 4WAR in the same way that it's possible that literally any player reaches 4WAR, which is in the instance that players sometimes miraculously get a lot better. One partial season of defensive data (that takes about three full seasons to become reliably predictive) does nothing to change that. OP's point is correct: even acknowledging Rollins' age and decline, it's far more likely that Rollins bounces back to a level he's reached several times in the past than it is that Saladino reaches a height several times higher than has been indicated by anything he's ever done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted April 11, 2016 Share Posted April 11, 2016 I like having Rollins. It's only the first week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beautox Posted April 11, 2016 Share Posted April 11, 2016 Just win, I'll be enjoying this broadcast from the twins stand point. I've taken my monthly allotment of Hawk and hope Jason Benetti gets the full time gig next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted April 11, 2016 Share Posted April 11, 2016 Oh great, c***ry Joe West on the crew for this series. Looks like he'll be behind plate tmr. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bones Posted April 11, 2016 Share Posted April 11, 2016 (edited) Isn't Quintana 0-0? Did I miss something? King of the no decision. Edited April 11, 2016 by The Bones Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted April 11, 2016 Share Posted April 11, 2016 It is amazing how much more popular Saladino became once the Sox got Rollins. Carlos Sanchez became popular as well. For that matter, some were even up in arms Tyler Flowers was gone. Keep in mind, with those guys in the line up, even though they did improve the defense drastically from the opening day line up, it didn't result in more wins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted April 11, 2016 Share Posted April 11, 2016 The umps sure do love to extend the zone on Adam. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted April 11, 2016 Share Posted April 11, 2016 f*** YOU UMP. Robots. Jesus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted April 11, 2016 Share Posted April 11, 2016 That 2-1 strike on Rollins was comical Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted April 11, 2016 Share Posted April 11, 2016 So far half the pitches that were called strikes weren't even on the black, completely missed the zone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Sale Posted April 11, 2016 Share Posted April 11, 2016 Abreu's getting the good calls too. This is just absurd. Guess pitchers don't have to throw strikes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted April 11, 2016 Share Posted April 11, 2016 Hopefully Q gets this strike zone too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted April 11, 2016 Share Posted April 11, 2016 Should have been 3-0 to Jose. Ump missed three calls already. That call to Rollins was especially brutal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted April 11, 2016 Share Posted April 11, 2016 As long as Q gets it, fine. It's 38 degrees and windy. They want to get out of there as soon as possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunt Posted April 11, 2016 Share Posted April 11, 2016 Gamecast had those wayyyyy outside Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted April 11, 2016 Share Posted April 11, 2016 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Apr 11, 2016 -> 03:21 PM) As long as Q gets it, fine. It's 38 degrees and windy. They want to get out of there as soon as possible. See, this is the sort of BS that screams "robots". There is no adjusting the zone based on the temp. Come on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beautox Posted April 11, 2016 Share Posted April 11, 2016 QUOTE (chitownsportsfan @ Apr 11, 2016 -> 03:19 PM) So far half the pitches that were called strikes weren't even on the black, completely missed the zone. yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted April 11, 2016 Share Posted April 11, 2016 QUOTE (chitownsportsfan @ Apr 11, 2016 -> 03:22 PM) See, this is the sort of BS that screams "robots". There is no adjusting the zone based on the temp. Come on. At times you have to go up there hacking. If it is the same for both teams, it's not BS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaconOnAStick Posted April 11, 2016 Share Posted April 11, 2016 Quintana is not going to get the same zone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Sale Posted April 11, 2016 Share Posted April 11, 2016 Well, there goes the no-hitter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted April 11, 2016 Share Posted April 11, 2016 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Apr 11, 2016 -> 03:23 PM) At times you have to go up there hacking. If it is the same for both teams, it's not BS. Call the zone as it's defined in the rulebook. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Sale Posted April 11, 2016 Share Posted April 11, 2016 Also, Quintana is not getting the zone lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted April 11, 2016 Share Posted April 11, 2016 QUOTE (Alexeihyeess @ Apr 11, 2016 -> 03:23 PM) Quintana is not going to get the same zone. If he doesn't, then it's BS. But if he does, they are just going to have to deal with it. I like Q's chances if he doesn't have to throw many strikes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunt Posted April 11, 2016 Share Posted April 11, 2016 Of course he gets squeezed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaconOnAStick Posted April 11, 2016 Share Posted April 11, 2016 Nice turn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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