Time to Trade Chris Sale?

[Kyyle23]

Reading 101. I said Q will not bring as much as Sale in a trade. The 4 minor league prospects might get Q but not Sale.

 

Hard to read past you using Wins as if it matters

[ChiliIrishHammock24]

In your eyes maybe. But in the ESPN predictor he is not even in Top 10

 

 

2016 Cy Young Predictor - AL

 

RK PLAYER TEAM CYP G GS IP ER K SV SHO W-L ERA VB

1 Chris Tillman BAL 96.0 15 15 89.2 31 86 0 0 10-1 3.11 12

2 Chris Sale CHW 93.2 14 14 98.0 32 93 0 1 11-2 2.94 0

3 Zach Britton BAL 90.4 28 0 29.0 3 33 21 0 2-1 0.93 12

4 Danny Salazar CLE 86.8 13 13 80.2 20 96 0 0 8-3 2.23 12

5 Cole Hamels TEX 80.6 14 14 90.2 29 87 0 0 7-1 2.88 12

6 Steven Wright BOS 79.3 14 14 98.1 22 80 0 0 8-4 2.01 0

7 Josh Tomlin CLE 77.6 13 13 81.1 30 53 0 0 8-1 3.32 12

8 Colby Lewis TEX 75.5 14 14 93.0 29 58 0 0 6-0 2.81 12

9 Jordan Zimmermann DET 69.3 13 13 86.0 31 54 0 0 9-3 3.24 0

10 Rich Hill OAK 67.7 11 11 64.0 16 74 0 0 8-3 2.25 0

 

 

:lol:

[SCCWS]

Some of these Sale returns are kind of ridiculous. Switch jerseys and say what you'd give up for Sale if you were the BoSox.

 

Yoan Mocada is a good reasonable start with Pedroia in the way. Owens is too. And the Sox covet Swihart (even though I'm not sure he won't be the next Weiters rather than Posey -- true talent would have played his way into the every day lineup by now)

After that? I just feel like you might be hard pressed to get much more. Also I think you can get the same haul basically next year, so why rush it this year?

 

I still am giving this club 1 total more year. June 2017 then close the coffin on this team.

 

Swihart struggled catching not as much batting. So they moved him to AAA to learn playing left field. But that drops his value if he isn't an everyday catcher.

 

[Quin]

In your eyes maybe. But in the ESPN predictor he is not even in Top 10

 

 

2016 Cy Young Predictor - AL

 

RK PLAYER TEAM CYP G GS IP ER K SV SHO W-L ERA VB

1 Chris Tillman BAL 96.0 15 15 89.2 31 86 0 0 10-1 3.11 12

2 Chris Sale CHW 93.2 14 14 98.0 32 93 0 1 11-2 2.94 0

3 Zach Britton BAL 90.4 28 0 29.0 3 33 21 0 2-1 0.93 12

4 Danny Salazar CLE 86.8 13 13 80.2 20 96 0 0 8-3 2.23 12

5 Cole Hamels TEX 80.6 14 14 90.2 29 87 0 0 7-1 2.88 12

6 Steven Wright BOS 79.3 14 14 98.1 22 80 0 0 8-4 2.01 0

7 Josh Tomlin CLE 77.6 13 13 81.1 30 53 0 0 8-1 3.32 12

8 Colby Lewis TEX 75.5 14 14 93.0 29 58 0 0 6-0 2.81 12

9 Jordan Zimmermann DET 69.3 13 13 86.0 31 54 0 0 9-3 3.24 0

10 Rich Hill OAK 67.7 11 11 64.0 16 74 0 0 8-3 2.25 0

 

Also in Fangraphs eyes, which uses numbers other than wins, which the Cy Young Predictor uses heavily.

[YouCanPutItOnTheBoardYES!]

In your eyes maybe. But in the ESPN predictor he is not even in Top 10

 

 

2016 Cy Young Predictor - AL

 

RK PLAYER TEAM CYP G GS IP ER K SV SHO W-L ERA VB

1 Chris Tillman BAL 96.0 15 15 89.2 31 86 0 0 10-1 3.11 12

2 Chris Sale CHW 93.2 14 14 98.0 32 93 0 1 11-2 2.94 0

3 Zach Britton BAL 90.4 28 0 29.0 3 33 21 0 2-1 0.93 12

4 Danny Salazar CLE 86.8 13 13 80.2 20 96 0 0 8-3 2.23 12

5 Cole Hamels TEX 80.6 14 14 90.2 29 87 0 0 7-1 2.88 12

6 Steven Wright BOS 79.3 14 14 98.1 22 80 0 0 8-4 2.01 0

7 Josh Tomlin CLE 77.6 13 13 81.1 30 53 0 0 8-1 3.32 12

8 Colby Lewis TEX 75.5 14 14 93.0 29 58 0 0 6-0 2.81 12

9 Jordan Zimmermann DET 69.3 13 13 86.0 31 54 0 0 9-3 3.24 0

10 Rich Hill OAK 67.7 11 11 64.0 16 74 0 0 8-3 2.25 0

Tillman ahead of Sale? Lol wow.

[Whisox05]

Hate to say it but I think sales gone sometime in next three years. Sox are in a so called 3 year window of which are in year 2. People ask why are we in a 3 year window when sale has 2 year left afterwards. Well that's be cause if Sox aren't contending that leaves 2 years of control left to who ever team is trading for him and still gives sox value in return. Sale has said repeatedly he wants to win and if the Sox aren't winning do you think he really wants to stay here or continue to stay here. Also Jerry doesn't give out huge contracts. Sale would be a 30+ million for 5yrs+ contract when he becomes free agent. Do any of you see Jerry throwing that kind of money. Sure hasn't yet. Ive come to the conclusion sales days are numbered here. Just hope when he's traded the get back talent that performs.

Edited June 21, 2016 by WhiteSoxLifer

[Texsox]

Trade all major league quality players for prospects. Then next winter sign some minor league free agents to play for the major league team. Have a horrible team that will be lucky to win 50 games, it will be paradise. No one will complain about management anymore. No one will blame the manager when the line up doesn't feature one player that would start on the opposing team. No one will blame the hitting coach when guys who struggle in AAA aren't hitting very well at the major league level. And if the majority of prospects bust, everyone will understand.

[OmarComing25]

He wouldn't be close and prepare for an all star snub possibility too.

 

I love Q, but get real.

Are you saying this just because of his record? I thought Felix winning in 2010 showed that voters don't care about record anymore. He probably wouldn't win but to say it wouldn't be close is absurd.

[Steve9347]

Cardinals are reportedly interested in Sale with a package of Alex Reyes +++ coming our way.

[southsider2k5]

Some of these Sale returns are kind of ridiculous. Switch jerseys and say what you'd give up for Sale if you were the BoSox.

 

Yoan Mocada is a good reasonable start with Pedroia in the way. Owens is too. And the Sox covet Swihart (even though I'm not sure he won't be the next Weiters rather than Posey -- true talent would have played his way into the every day lineup by now)

After that? I just feel like you might be hard pressed to get much more. Also I think you can get the same haul basically next year, so why rush it this year?

 

I still am giving this club 1 total more year. June 2017 then close the coffin on this team.

 

Trading Sale at this point would be pretty unprecedented when you combine his performance, with his long term contract. The return should reflect that. I mean think of the return for Mark Texeirea. Then realize that he was years closer to free agency than Sale. A return for Chris Sale should be something that should turn around a franchise. Otherwise, why would the White Sox do it?

[Flash Tizzle]

Trading Sale at this point would be pretty unprecedented when you combine his performance, with his long term contract. The return should reflect that. I mean think of the return for Mark Texeirea. Then realize that he was years closer to free agency than Sale. A return for Chris Sale should be something that should turn around a franchise. Otherwise, why would the White Sox do it?

 

 

White Sox are a victim of not benefiting from any franchise altering trades. I'm not suggesting it's a fault of Hahn (He hasn't dealt any core players) but our organization needs a deal where we're receiving two/three quality players for one. Every offseason a trade happens where everyone is left saying, "how in the world did they receive that much," and we're never benefitting from it. Oh I know, everyone wants to be on the rceiving end of those -- but that's a large step towards breaking through our mediocre rutt. Otherwise, what's the alternative? Continue signing second/third tier scraps and building around our core? If we have an infusion of talent through trading even one of Quintana, Sale, Abreu, Eaton, then it needs to be considered.

Edited June 21, 2016 by Flash Tizzle

[Whisox05]

Trading Sale at this point would be pretty unprecedented when you combine his performance, with his long term contract. The return should reflect that. I mean think of the return for Mark Texeirea. Then realize that he was years closer to free agency than Sale. A return for Chris Sale should be something that should turn around a franchise. Otherwise, why would the White Sox do it?

 

They trade him because they aren't going to throw a truck load of money at him to keep him here. You trade him when he still has control left so the team acquiring him give you more value.

[Bob Sacamano]

Cardinals are reportedly interested in Sale with a package of Alex Reyes +++ coming our way.

 

Where is this coming from?

[southsider2k5]

They trade him because they aren't going to throw a truck load of money at him to keep him here. You trade him when he still has control left so the team acquiring him give you more value.

 

The Sox have his control through the fall of 2019. It doesn't matter now.

[oldsox]

Speaking of Moncada, who I would love to get, the Bosox sunk something like $64 Million into his signing; that would probably make them offer somebody else. The author of that article should interview Dombrowski and report back.

Edited June 21, 2016 by oldsox

[Flash Tizzle]

Also personally I'm worried about holding onto Sale one season too long. Irrational as it may be, he pitches well through this season that'll be five years of tremendous production. All we could ever ask for. It's unfortunate he'll have yet to pitch in the playoffs for the White Sox, but that's not his fault management couldn't put together a team. Please Hahn, if the value is there trade him while you can.

[ChiliIrishHammock24]

Cardinals are reportedly interested in Sale with a package of Alex Reyes +++ coming our way.

 

Reyes, Wong, Bader, Kelly, Fernandez better be ballparkin' it.

[fathom]

Reyes, Wong, Bader, Kelly, Fernandez better be ballparkin' it.

 

not nearly enough, as Wong has been awful this season and just signed an extension.

 

Don't really see Cardinals as a fit

[ChiliIrishHammock24]

not nearly enough, as Wong has been awful this season and just signed an extension.

 

Don't really see Cardinals as a fit

 

Not nearly as good as what the Red Sox can offer, certainly. Red Sox and Cubs seem to be the most well equip for a deal that won't kill their orgs.

 

Dodgers would be really interesting if they would move Urias, but I kind of doubt that.

[harfman77]

Of course, JR has done that before and the meatballs have returned as soon as the Sox have become competitive again. It's almost pointless to care what the meatballs think about a rebuild when they won't show up to watch a .500 team that's only three games behind in a weak division.

 

My guess is that JR pulls the plug sometime between July of 2017 and July of 2018 and that he puts the team up for sale afterwards.

 

I definitely think the team is sold before 2019. Just looking at the way the dominoes are falling:

 

The number of dollars committed drops precipitously in 2019 down to $26M. It also coincides with what the Sox were saying over the winter that they wanted players on a two year deal at the max. A low salary threshold makes the team more appealing to an incoming buyer as they have fewer financial obligations after paying a kings ransom for the team.

 

A new TV deal will take affect in 2019, this will increase the bottom line for the team and get JR a lot more money (perhaps) if he gets a deal along the lines of what other teams have been getting. I think that JR's push right now to get the team into contention is to try and boost TV numbers to use in negotiations to get a better deal.

 

JR has mentioned that he does not want his family to continue in baseball long term.

 

JR lost his friend and comrade Bud Selig as commissioner and actively campaigned against Manfred. I think JR sees baseball going in a way he doesn't approve (labor costs) and realizes his allies are dwindling among the owners.

 

All of that leads to me coming to the conclusion that JR isn't long for the Sox. It also would likely prevent the Sox from trading Sale as he is the type of player that a new franchise owner would love to have on his new franchise.

[greg775]

I think I'd try the reverse method again. Trade everybody but Anderson, Sale and Q and Abreu. Get rid of all that salary and rebuild with a new GM, new manager, and KW not on board, whatever his title is. Sale will be gone after 2019 so ASAP get rid of Frazier, Shields, Avi, Lawrie, Avila, Navarro, Melky, Eaton, Shuck. Keep Eaton if you want.

But get that all done and see what you can do with that money.

Edited June 21, 2016 by greg775

[tray]

Blow it up for the benefit of whom? The Cubs?

It's never gonna happen. Dream on.

[ptatc]

I definitely think the team is sold before 2019. Just looking at the way the dominoes are falling:

 

The number of dollars committed drops precipitously in 2019 down to $26M. It also coincides with what the Sox were saying over the winter that they wanted players on a two year deal at the max. A low salary threshold makes the team more appealing to an incoming buyer as they have fewer financial obligations after paying a kings ransom for the team.

 

A new TV deal will take affect in 2019, this will increase the bottom line for the team and get JR a lot more money (perhaps) if he gets a deal along the lines of what other teams have been getting. I think that JR's push right now to get the team into contention is to try and boost TV numbers to use in negotiations to get a better deal.

 

JR has mentioned that he does not want his family to continue in baseball long term.

 

JR lost his friend and comrade Bud Selig as commissioner and actively campaigned against Manfred. I think JR sees baseball going in a way he doesn't approve (labor costs) and realizes his allies are dwindling among the owners.

 

All of that leads to me coming to the conclusion that JR isn't long for the Sox. It also would likely prevent the Sox from trading Sale as he is the type of player that a new franchise owner would love to have on his new franchise.

Do you think JR sells to the other owners or do they all sell? Forbes estimates he owns 19% of the team. He wouldn't really benefit much personally from a sale.

[flavum]

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/how-the-best-...931973-mlb.html

[Dick Allen]

Do you think JR sells to the other owners or do they all sell? Forbes estimates he owns 19% of the team. He wouldn't really benefit much personally from a sale.

If JR wanted to sell the team, the team goes on the block. If every other shareholder wanted to sell the team and JR didn't, the team wouldn't be for sale. I think JR dies as an owner of the White Sox. And his son really wouldn't mind taking his dad's job.

 

All those hoping a Mark Cuban buys the team, forget it. Besides, if you added up the net worth of all the White Sox partners, it would be a pretty impressive amount.

Edited June 21, 2016 by Dick Allen