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It's nice when statistics confirm that a trend you notice isn't just in your head. Anyone think the Sox could put a package together for Lucroy? I know it would have to include Fulmer, but even with him, do the Sox have the pieces to make it work?

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QUOTE (Dam8610 @ Jun 24, 2016 -> 09:46 AM)
It's nice when statistics confirm that a trend you notice isn't just in your head. Anyone think the Sox could put a package together for Lucroy? I know it would have to include Fulmer, but even with him, do the Sox have the pieces to make it work?

 

I think Derek Norris would help too. Decent hitter and really good at pitch framing.

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QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Jun 24, 2016 -> 09:48 AM)
Yeah, this has been a disaster. Makes my excited catcher SoxNet article from the winter look dumb.

Another KW/Hahn front office (notice both names) plan that looked good on paper but has fallen flat on it's face, so far.

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QUOTE (Special K @ Jun 24, 2016 -> 10:25 AM)
How much again did we pay per year for the privilege of those 2? $4 million? Had we allocated that on a per year basis to someone like Gordon, perhaps it would've made the difference. Would be fine with Flowers in that instance.

 

They offered more to Gordon than KC did, and he chose to go back.

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QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Jun 24, 2016 -> 09:48 AM)
Yeah, this has been a disaster. Makes my excited catcher SoxNet article from the winter look dumb.

 

Navarro is possibly the worst framer in baseball. He catches the ball weird and doesn't even pretend to frame it most of the time. But then again, umpires need to stop getting fooled by catchers and just call it where it crosses.

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QUOTE (Special K @ Jun 24, 2016 -> 10:25 AM)
How much again did we pay per year for the privilege of those 2? $4 million? Had we allocated that on a per year basis to someone like Gordon, perhaps it would've made the difference. Would be fine with Flowers in that instance.

 

You are paying them what you would have had to pay Flowers.

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QUOTE (Dam8610 @ Jun 24, 2016 -> 09:46 AM)
It's nice when statistics confirm that a trend you notice isn't just in your head. Anyone think the Sox could put a package together for Lucroy? I know it would have to include Fulmer, but even with him, do the Sox have the pieces to make it work?

 

It may not take that much in talent, as Lucroy will be a free agent after next season, and the Brewers are reportedly shopping him. However, they would want young talent in return. The key may be that they are eager to move Braun's salary. I've been advocating taking both of them, and all of the salary, which could mitigate the need to give up much talent. Although Braun would be an overpay, and a long term commitment, Lucroy's very affordable contract would make a package of both very intriguing.

 

You put Braun in the outfield, Lucroy behind the plate and Morneau at DH and you have transformed this anemic offense into an impressive lineup.

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QUOTE (Lillian @ Jun 24, 2016 -> 11:48 AM)
It may not take that much in talent, as Lucroy will be a free agent after next season, and the Brewers are reportedly shopping him. However, they would want young talent in return. The key may be that they are eager to move Braun's salary. I've been advocating taking both of them, and all of the salary, which could mitigate the need to give up much talent. Although Braun would be an overpay, and a long term commitment, Lucroy's very affordable contract would make a package of both very intriguing.

 

You put Braun in the outfield, Lucroy behind the plate and Morneau at DH and you have transformed this anemic offense into an impressive lineup.

 

Braun and Lucroy would require Fulmer and Anderson, plus. It ain't happening.

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QUOTE (ChiSox59 @ Jun 24, 2016 -> 12:19 PM)
Braun and Lucroy would require Fulmer and Anderson, plus. It ain't happening.

 

I'm not going to dispute that, but I wonder on what you base your assertion. It was my understanding that the Brewers are very desirous of moving Braun's salary.

How can they expect to accomplish that, and still get a couple of top prospects?

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QUOTE (Lillian @ Jun 24, 2016 -> 12:48 PM)
I'm not going to dispute that, but I wonder on what you base your assertion. It was my understanding that the Brewers are very desirous of moving Braun's salary.

How can they expect to accomplish that, and still get a couple of top prospects?

Lucroy is their one chip for good prospects. I don't think they would substitute eating all of Braun's money for taking good prospects, especially since Braun is having a good year.

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QUOTE (Lillian @ Jun 24, 2016 -> 12:48 PM)
I'm not going to dispute that, but I wonder on what you base your assertion. It was my understanding that the Brewers are very desirous of moving Braun's salary.

How can they expect to accomplish that, and still get a couple of top prospects?

 

Lucroy alone is probably worth at least of one Fulmer or Anderson (plus some) - I am sure that the Brewers would ask for both. And the Brewers aren't just going to give Braun away for salary relief.

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QUOTE (ChiSox59 @ Jun 24, 2016 -> 12:56 PM)
Lucroy alone is probably worth at least of one Fulmer or Anderson (plus some) - I am sure that the Brewers would ask for both. And the Brewers aren't just going to give Braun away for salary relief.

 

Perhaps you are correct, in asserting that the Brewers wouldn't give up Lucroy without asking for a ransom. However, they may be willing to indeed move Braun for not much more than salary relief. According to an article in today's MLB Traderumors, by Steve Adams, they might want to move Braun's salary in order to achieve the financial flexibility to try to resign Lucroy. Here is what he wrote:

 

"While Jonathan Lucroy is perhaps the most-cited trade candidate in baseball, GM David Stearns tells Heyman that an extension can’t be entirely ruled out. Heyman notes that if the Brewers are able to move Ryan Braun, they could look to reallocate some of those funds to locking up Lucroy, who is more open to an extension now that the Brewers are performing better than most pundits expected. There could, of course, be some level of gamesmanship there, as it would make sense for any team official to downplay a prime trade target’s availability."

 

Would you be in favor of taking on all of Braun's contract, if it didn't require giving up any significant talent?

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QUOTE (Lillian @ Jun 24, 2016 -> 01:10 PM)
Perhaps you are correct, in asserting that the Brewers wouldn't give up Lucroy without asking for a ransom. However, they may be willing to indeed move Braun for not much more than salary relief. According to an article in today's MLB Traderumors, by Steve Adams, they might want to move Braun's salary in order to achieve the financial flexibility to try to resign Lucroy. Here is what he wrote:

 

"While Jonathan Lucroy is perhaps the most-cited trade candidate in baseball, GM David Stearns tells Heyman that an extension can’t be entirely ruled out. Heyman notes that if the Brewers are able to move Ryan Braun, they could look to reallocate some of those funds to locking up Lucroy, who is more open to an extension now that the Brewers are performing better than most pundits expected. There could, of course, be some level of gamesmanship there, as it would make sense for any team official to downplay a prime trade target’s availability."

 

Would you be in favor of taking on all of Braun's contract, if it didn't require giving up any significant talent?

 

Sure, but I doubt it'll happen.

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QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Jun 24, 2016 -> 07:09 PM)
Ed Herrmann 1974

 

Wow, I wouldn't have guessed it. I don't remember that and that was during my studying everything on the back of a baseball card and reading every boxscore days

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QUOTE (Tex @ Jun 24, 2016 -> 03:18 PM)
I can only think of a few Sox catchers to play in the all-star game

 

AJ, Fisk a few times, and Lollar for about a decade. Bears QBs and Sox catchers are about the same.

 

I think it's been that way in baseball for over a decade. At one time the casual baseball fan to name a few catchers. It's not that way anymore. If they can hit they want to move them to another position. If there was another modern day Munson or Fisk I bet most organizations would turn them into OF or 1B.

 

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QUOTE (kitekrazy @ Jun 24, 2016 -> 08:01 PM)
I think it's been that way in baseball for over a decade. At one time the casual baseball fan to name a few catchers. It's not that way anymore. If they can hit they want to move them to another position. If there was another modern day Munson or Fisk I bet most organizations would turn them into OF or 1B.

Hawk tried.

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