southsider2k5 Posted July 23, 2008 Share Posted July 23, 2008 Can we give him some love here at least? If the season ended today, could he be the MVP of the AL? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted July 23, 2008 Share Posted July 23, 2008 They'll give it to Hamilton. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 23, 2008 Share Posted July 23, 2008 He hasn't gotten the most press, but I don't see how you can pick against him under any reasonable definition of "most valuable". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted July 23, 2008 Share Posted July 23, 2008 QUOTE (knightni @ Jul 23, 2008 -> 03:01 PM) They'll give it to Hamilton. I doubt it unless Texas somehow beats out the Angels which isn't very likely. If Q can lead the lead in HR and finish in the top 3 in RBI while the Sox come in 1st in the Central he's got as good a chance as anyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted July 23, 2008 Share Posted July 23, 2008 QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Jul 23, 2008 -> 07:35 PM) I doubt it unless Texas somehow beats out the Angels which isn't very likely. If Q can lead the lead in HR and finish in the top 3 in RBI while the Sox come in 1st in the Central he's got as good a chance as anyone. Hamilton's a better story than Andre Dawson was in 1987. Â Hamilton will win if his stats are better than Quentin's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxbrian Posted July 23, 2008 Share Posted July 23, 2008 QUOTE (knightni @ Jul 23, 2008 -> 05:40 PM) Hamilton's a better story than Andre Dawson was in 1987. Hamilton will win if his stats are better than Quentin's. Then Chipper should win in the NL, right?  The way it's defined is most valuable, not best player. Hamilton is the best player, but Q has carried this team with a little help from Dye, and our team is in 1st while Hamilton's is in 2nd by 8-11 games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan1 Posted July 23, 2008 Share Posted July 23, 2008 QUOTE (knightni @ Jul 23, 2008 -> 06:40 PM) Hamilton will win if his stats are better than Quentin's. Wow, thanks for the insight. Â Joe Borchard or Pablo Ozuna would win too if their stats were better than Quentin's too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted July 23, 2008 Share Posted July 23, 2008 QUOTE (SoxFan1 @ Jul 23, 2008 -> 07:48 PM) Wow, thanks for the insight. Â They are saying that Quentin will win MVP over Hamilton because he's on a winning team. Â I'm saying otherwise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted July 23, 2008 Share Posted July 23, 2008 I have seen MVP for the week, month, etc, but I think the one worth watching will be at the end of the year and I most certainly believe Carlos Quentin will be right there at the end of the season along with Jermaine Dye. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan1 Posted July 23, 2008 Share Posted July 23, 2008 QUOTE (knightni @ Jul 23, 2008 -> 06:51 PM) They are saying that Quentin will win MVP over Hamilton because he's on a winning team. I'm saying otherwise. The last time an AL hitter won MVP and didn't make the playoffs was A-Rod in 2003. Before that it was Cal Ripken in 1991. Unless Hamilton's numbers are FAR better than anyone else's, he won't win it if Texas doesn't make the playoffs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Tizzle Posted July 24, 2008 Share Posted July 24, 2008 QUOTE (knightni @ Jul 23, 2008 -> 05:01 PM) They'll give it to Hamilton. No one can say definitely as of now sure they'll give it to that druggie. Sure, if he doesn't have a sharp dropoff it's possible, but I hope whoever is in the running for MVP by seasons end (whether it's Quentin or not) statistics and actual value are taken over a feel good story and one's ability to hit baseballs far in an exhibition game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted July 24, 2008 Share Posted July 24, 2008 QUOTE (SoxFan1 @ Jul 23, 2008 -> 11:57 PM) The last time an AL hitter won MVP and didn't make the playoffs was A-Rod in 2003. Before that it was Cal Ripken in 1991. Unless Hamilton's numbers are FAR better than anyone else's, he won't win it if Texas doesn't make the playoffs. Â Â I agree with you and Quentin is right up there power wise and his average is good. Plus Qunetin came out of no where and Hamilton had a good year in Cincy before going to Texas. I think impact player is important and that's Quentin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted July 24, 2008 Share Posted July 24, 2008 QUOTE (Flash Tizzle @ Jul 23, 2008 -> 07:00 PM) No one can say definitely as of now sure they'll give it to that druggie. Sure, if he doesn't have a sharp dropoff it's possible, but I hope whoever is in the running for MVP by seasons end (whether it's Quentin or not) statistics and actual value are taken over a feel good story and one's ability to hit baseballs far in an exhibition game. It would be pretty hard to look away if he has 30 or 40 more RBI than anyone else, but if Quentin keeps it up and the Sox win, he'll have a pretty good shot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Tizzle Posted July 24, 2008 Share Posted July 24, 2008 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 23, 2008 -> 06:05 PM) It would be pretty hard to look away if he has 30 or 40 more RBI than anyone else, but if Quentin keeps it up and the Sox win, he'll have a pretty good shot. Sportswriters are responsible for voting so it's possible they'll do something such as that. But really, Hamilton is a solid player and all, but what good are those additional 30/40 RBI's for Texas? Is that the only advantage he holds over other candidates? They probably won't be playing for anything in October, and if Rodriguez or Quentin are still putting up comparable numbers (with less RBI's) for teams in contention, they're more deserving of a most valuable player award. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangercal Posted July 24, 2008 Share Posted July 24, 2008 (edited) http://vegaswatch.net/2008/07/bodog-al-mvp-odds.html   http://onlinesportshandicapping.com/news/C...dds-071808.html Edited July 24, 2008 by rangercal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heads22 Posted July 24, 2008 Share Posted July 24, 2008 CQ needs a YTMND like Joes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RME JICO Posted July 24, 2008 Share Posted July 24, 2008 (edited) OPS AB Runs Hits RBI 2B HR BB SO HBP CQ .930 358 70 100 76 17 26 46 59 14 JH . 904 397 61 121 98 22 22 39 71 2 Besides having a higher BA, the only other major offensive categories that Hamilton has a lead in is Hits, RBI, and 2B. If you take into account that he also has 39 more AB's than CQ, those numbers become much closer. Â This year, multiple teams have 2 or more candidates in the running, which may make the race more wide open than normal. (CHW - Quentin/Dye, BOS - Ramirez/Youkilis/Drew, TEX - Hamilton/Bradley/Kinsler). Edited July 24, 2008 by RME JICO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heads22 Posted July 24, 2008 Share Posted July 24, 2008 I'll dust it off again. I know it's crappy, but I enjoy looking at him. Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted July 24, 2008 Share Posted July 24, 2008 QUOTE (knightni @ Jul 23, 2008 -> 05:40 PM) Hamilton will win if his stats are better than Quentin's. Which they aren't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted July 24, 2008 Share Posted July 24, 2008 QUOTE (Heads22 @ Jul 23, 2008 -> 07:22 PM) I'll dust it off again. I know it's crappy, but I enjoy looking at him.  It will be fine if you just edit out that weird yellowish green line around quentin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrle>Wood Posted July 24, 2008 Share Posted July 24, 2008 QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Jul 24, 2008 -> 02:31 AM) Which they aren't. Â And it probably doesn't matter. His ridiculous RBI rate will probably be enough to win it(assuming it keeps up). Hamilton has gotten so much press this year, it's hard not to notice what he's doing, especially the sports writers who vote for the thing. On the other side of things, there's probably voters out there who barely know who Quentin is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heads22 Posted July 24, 2008 Share Posted July 24, 2008 QUOTE (kyyle23 @ Jul 23, 2008 -> 08:31 PM) It will be fine if you just edit out that weird yellowish green line around quentin. Â Hm, I think it looks better with the glow cause I had a tough time cutting it, but I suck at this stuff. Slav should really get his ass in gear and clean up my mess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maggliopipe Posted July 24, 2008 Share Posted July 24, 2008 Isn't he leading baseball in go ahead RBI (can't find that anywhere online but I they said it during the all star game)? And that was before today. If the Sox take the division and he's still on top in that stat, along with being near the top of many others as he currently is, it's hard to see Hamilton or anyone else taking it over him, great story or not. Morneau wasn't getting a whole lot of press until late in 2006. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangercal Posted July 24, 2008 Share Posted July 24, 2008 QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Jul 23, 2008 -> 09:31 PM) Which they aren't. Â The only way I see CQ losing is because he is way behind in RBI. Â What Would CQ's stats look like with Hamiltons opportunities? Â With Runners on AB CQ 141 Josh 200 AVG CQ .348 Josh .320 OBP. CQ .451 Josh .361 SLG CQ .638 Josh .595 OPS CQ 1.089 Josh .956 Â At least we know MVP voters will look at very telling splits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan1 Posted July 24, 2008 Share Posted July 24, 2008 QUOTE (Heads22 @ Jul 23, 2008 -> 08:37 PM) Hm, I think it looks better with the glow cause I had a tough time cutting it, but I suck at this stuff. Slav should really get his ass in gear and clean up my mess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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