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After the Pierzynski rant that went viral (and I thought was a little ill informed/unfair), I'd love if someone was able to compile a list of all players drafted in Round 11 or later from 2017-2020 (Getz's time as Director of Player Development) that made the MLB for all teams and see how many guys each team had and how good they were. I'd be willing to guess most teams didn't have a ton and out of the ones that made it, most of them are guys like Seby Zavala.

Did this guy rank the system before or after we lost future HOFer, Jose Rodriguez?

I am hopeful about the pitching. Crochet, Fedde, Thorpe, Nastrini, Cannon, Bush, etc. could form a fun young rotation next year. The offense feels so far away. We have a guy: CF - Robert LF - Unfortunately probably stuck with Benitendi Possibly have a guy/Going to give a shot to a prospect RF - Hopefully Fletcher is the guy SS - Montgomery 3B - Ramos C- I think we are ok with the two prospects and a random vet signing Need a guy 1B DH 2B When you organize it like that, it doesn't feel as dire. Theoretically, 1B, DH, 2B should be easier to find. The problem is besides Robert, all the other names aren't players I want batting in the top half of a lineup. Ideally, Fletcher would take Benitendi's spot in the lineup and you fill the other corner OF with a dude who can hit. But that's not realistic.

If they get shut out again in the next week, I say we turn this into an Uncle Baby Billy message board

No. Ahmed Rosario PLUS José Rodriguez... then this team would be awesome.

And if they weren't shoved out, the complaints would be "he's stubbornly keeping the trash for too long"

I haven't seen an announcer think every fly ball was a home run like this since 1998ish Chip Caray

I want Pasquantino

Came to the game thread because I'm excited to see Nastrini... So confused... is Soxtalk upset that he's up?

If he was from outside the organization, he could also be a lot more assertive in public/interviews about "We are going to change a lot of things" and "Things are going to be different." Even if its bullshit, that's the type of stuff people say when they get a GM job and fans like to hear it. I bet there is some reluctance to do that since he was here, knows the guys he'd be indirectly trashing, and maybe even liked them/feels gratitude to them for hiring him.

I'll add this... I also don't know what was happening behind closed doors. What if Getz was on the losing (but right) side of 80% of the internal discussions during his time here? I don't know enough about what he was doing day to day to say with confidence that he sucks. I have enough evidence to be pretty sure that Hahn and Kenny sucked the last decade.

Reinsdorf liked him and knew who he was. haha. I would have loved it if they did a full exhaustive search.... but just because I didn't agree with the way he got the job... or that he got the job at all (!), I'm not going to waste calories trying to bash everything the guy does to prove I was right. I actually like some of the things he's done since he took over. Its pretty obvious that the plan this season was to find pitching and field a lineup of guys who can defend, and hope the three hurt morons finally stayed healthy. I don't believe he was dumb enough to think the team was going to be good. So far, the pitching has been ok. By the end of the year, I think we'll have a decent idea of our staff moving forward. They'll bring up Montgomery and Ramos and we can see how they look in addition to a guy like Fletcher.

I feel like the Getz thing is somewhere in the middle... and also kind of unknowable. If you made a list of any organization's prospects, there are going to be a ton of "failures." That's just how it works across the league. Did the Sox produce less major league talent than the rest of the MLB during that time? I don't know but I'm guessing they probably did. Ok... how much of that is Getz's fault? I'm not sure. He was the farm director but who knows what type of decision-making power he had. When he tried to implement something, was he overruled? Everyone seems to understand that JR, KW, and TLR got their way when it came to Hahn's authority. Am I to believe that JR, KW, TLR, and Hahn all gave Getz complete control and approved every suggestion? Seems unlikely. Furthermore, even if Getz had more power and influence than we think he did, he still wasn't the one picking the players. I'm not going to pretend I know enough about amateur baseball to know which failures are attributable to him and which failures are on the player, GM, scouting dept, etc. I bet most people here share my ignorance. The people who are the loudest in attacking Getz's resume are all fans on the outside and AJ Pierzynski... and one episode of his podcast, AJ seemed confused and implying Getz was in charge of drafts... which was obviously not the case. Other than that, it seems like a lot of the analysts and people connected to mlb have more respect for him than your typical SoxTalk poster or commenter under SoxMachine tweet. Where I think WestEddy is right is that there are a number of people who are just salty and ignoring actual successes on his resume. You can say he didn't deserve the job and still acknowledge they produced some major league talent when he was around. I think its unfair and kind of tiring to say he deserves all the blame for the failures but no recognition for Robert or depth pieces while trashing him for something relatively insignificant like sending Colas back down. Again... a lot of hyperventilating happening and I think its just residual anger from 2022-23.

Lol.... Jose Valentin would probably be our best player by a wide margin with Robert out.

Not to keep this argument going but I offered @WhiteSox2023 a ban bet in another thread when he said they'd lose 120 games (I offered him 118 I think?) and he changed the subject immediately after accusing me of being related to Jerry Reinsdorf. I'll still take that bet....