BigHurt3515 Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 I know he has been a hot topic among a handful of people and Rockies are planning on moving him so the question; What are you willing to give up in order to acquire Cargo? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 QUOTE (BigHurt3515 @ Jul 28, 2015 -> 10:42 AM) I know he has been a hot topic among a handful of people and Rockies are planning on moving him so the question; What are you willing to give up in order to acquire Cargo? Micah and Spencer, they pay $15 million. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmarComing25 Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 28, 2015 -> 12:43 PM) Micah and Spencer, they pay $15 million. You can't be serious. I don't want to give up one good prospect for him, let alone two. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Jul 28, 2015 -> 10:49 AM) You can't be serious. I don't want to give up one good prospect for him, let alone two. Maybe you didn't just see the Tulo trade? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 John Danks. I.E, don't want Cargo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 I'll give them a No Thanks for CarGo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 Do not want Cargo either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 If they believe they're really competitive this season but they don't want to give up anything other than money long term it generally makes some sense. Will the Rockies finally move him to save payroll with a weak return? Beats me, they haven't done so yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmarComing25 Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 28, 2015 -> 12:50 PM) Maybe you didn't just see the Tulo trade? What does that have to do with us and CarGo? His road numbers are uninspiring, he has a bad contract, and he has an injury history. Pass. I certainly wouldn't give up Adams for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Jul 28, 2015 -> 01:54 PM) What does that have to do with us and CarGo? His road numbers are uninspiring, he has a bad contract, and he has an injury history. Pass. I certainly wouldn't give up Adams for him. I wouldn't either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Jul 28, 2015 -> 10:52 AM) I'll give them a No Thanks for CarGo. Care to elaborate? No one will deny the guy has warts, but with what you've seen from this offense, are you comfortable w/o adding a bat? If you aren't, what bat do you think we're going to get in this market? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Jul 28, 2015 -> 10:54 AM) What does that have to do with us and CarGo? His road numbers are uninspiring, he has a bad contract, and he has an injury history. Pass. I certainly wouldn't give up Adams for him. Does that not sound like Tulowitzki? Who they just received a first round draft pick for, among others, along with $50 million in salary relief? You think they are going to turn around and dump Cargo to us for nothing now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 Unless we are dumping Danks, no thanks. Even better that it rhymes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 28, 2015 -> 01:56 PM) Does that not sound like Tulowitzki? Who they just received a first round draft pick for, among others, along with $50 million in salary relief? You think they are going to turn around and dump Cargo to us for nothing now? Tulo has been viewed a lot more favorably than CarGo for several years, IMO, and as noted in the other threads a fair number of people say that's a huge risk for the Jays. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 28, 2015 -> 12:56 PM) Does that not sound like Tulowitzki? Who they just received a first round draft pick for, among others, along with $50 million in salary relief? You think they are going to turn around and dump Cargo to us for nothing now? Tulo's numbers away from Coors are far better than CarGo's. I get that most players tend to do better at home than the road but CarGo's splits are in another galaxy away from Coors. The guy to me is a good, not great hitter who gets injured a ton and is not worth getting anywhere near that contract and trading away talent to land him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KillahPriest Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 QUOTE (BigHurt3515 @ Jul 28, 2015 -> 12:42 PM) I know he has been a hot topic among a handful of people and Rockies are planning on moving him so the question; What are you willing to give up in order to acquire Cargo? Trayce Thompson, Chris Beck & Daniel Webb. Take it or leave it. Not really that interested in him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 28, 2015 -> 10:57 AM) Tulo has been viewed a lot more favorably than CarGo for several years, IMO, and as noted in the other threads a fair number of people say that's a huge risk for the Jays. They're both pretty similar in regards to their streakiness. I won't deny that Tulowitzki is the more consistent player of the two, but outside of the last year, CarGo has put up some pretty big numbers himself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 (edited) The better question is can the White Sox afford to take on $42.3 million in salary commitments (including two months this year) without it having a negative impact on their future competitive window? Would we be happy if KW claimed him off waivers "for free," ala Alex Rios? One obvious thing it does is force Avisail Garcia or LaRoche out of the picture, although some are going to argue that Gonzalez needs to DH part-time to prevent more injuries. That's an awful expensive DH "combo meal," although we're not unfamiliar with that after Dunn and now LaRoche. Fwiw, Cargo is just 12/74 with an incredible 398 OPS against LHP this season. What does Adam LaRoche not do? Hit LHP. So I suppose you could sub Avi in against LHP, but you're still going to have a terrible match-up with either Cargo or LaRoche in there, one way or the other. Over 421 AB's from 2012-2014, he's a much better 765 against LHP, but there's always the home/road splits consideration, the injuries and the fact that he'd be coming from the NL to the AL, so that initial adjustment that never seems to go well for the White Sox. As a plus, he's 29 years old, but with that injury history, you almost have to treat him like he's 32-33. Edited July 28, 2015 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmarComing25 Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 (edited) QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 28, 2015 -> 12:56 PM) Does that not sound like Tulowitzki? Who they just received a first round draft pick for, among others, along with $50 million in salary relief? You think they are going to turn around and dump Cargo to us for nothing now? Tulowitzki's career road OPS is .817, which is still very very good out of the SS position. CarGo's career road OPS is .752, which is mediocre out of RF/LF. It's not really that comparable. Edited July 28, 2015 by OmarComing25 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Jul 28, 2015 -> 10:59 AM) Tulo's numbers away from Coors are far better than CarGo's. I get that most players tend to do better at home than the road but CarGo's splits are in another galaxy away from Coors. The guy to me is a good, not great hitter who gets injured a ton and is not worth getting anywhere near that contract and trading away talent to land him. Fair enough. Which bat are you going out to get? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Jul 28, 2015 -> 11:03 AM) Tulowitzki's career road OPS is .817, which is still very very good out of the SS position. CarGo's career road OPS is .752, which is mediocre out of RF. It's not really that comparable. His road OPS this year is .768. That is higher than everyone on the current White Sox other than Abreu and Eaton, and Eaton is at .769. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 28, 2015 -> 11:54 AM) Care to elaborate? No one will deny the guy has warts, but with what you've seen from this offense, are you comfortable w/o adding a bat? If you aren't, what bat do you think we're going to get in this market? We need to luck out again like we did for 3 weeks with Youkilis in 2012. A team who's being forced to make a move with a popular veteran...and willing to dump salary for a guy going into FA. Middlebrooks was emerging that season (obviously it didn't last) and the Boston front office was backed into a corner. Of course, we didn't get such great results from Orlando Hudson (one game winner I remember, or was it 2?), Myers and Liriano, who of course has gone on to become a much better pitcher in the NL, away from the AL Central. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShandyMan Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 John Danks + Matt Davidson. Sure i'll take that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsoxhurt35 Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 I wouldn't break the bank obviously. COL also needs to eat his salary if they won't take Danks back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 28, 2015 -> 12:57 PM) Unless we are dumping Danks, no thanks. Even better that it rhymes. I agree with this. I'd do it if they took Danks contract back in return. And I wouldn't give them much else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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