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QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 18, 2017 -> 09:20 PM) This season, he has been elite. Fair? Obviously. BP arms are the most volatile asset in baseball. Kahnle is more likely to turn back into a pumpkin and be non-tendered than he is to continue dominating. Hahn did an amazing job converting those assets into an elite prospect. Sox fans, like all fans, irrationally value their players. As someone that doesn't give two s***s about the Sox, I still admire how well Hahn has orchestrated this rebuild so far. He has done almost flawlessly.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 18, 2017 -> 09:06 PM) How is Kahnle not elite? 27 year old Rule 5 pick who has thrown 36 amazing innings after 120 very mediocre innings... Come on man...

Hahn turned a rental at 3B plus 2 non-elite BP arms into Blake Rutherford and some folks aren't ecstatic? The Sox just added a Top 30-35 position player to the system, who gives a s*** what else was in the deal?

Packaging several pieces with limited value to get a significant prospect in return was a masterstroke by Hahn. ChiSox fans should be ecstatic. Hahn is orchestrating the first year of this rebuild to perfection. I've been clamoring for the Braves to do the same thing with 2-3 of Phillips, Garcia, Suzuki, Adams and some BP pieces, but unfortunately they seem to be under the silly notion they are still in contention.

Hahn has played this rebuild perfectly. Well done. Sox fans should be excited.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 12, 2017 -> 09:28 PM) Well his stock seems to be plummeting because of this His stock has plummeted because of this: April: .255/.279/.378 (.656 OPS) May: .275/.336/.385 (.721 OPS) While shaking the rust off from breaking his elbow. He has since done this: June: .312/.366/.559 (.925 OPS) July: .385/.405/.564 (.969 OPS) When FG releases Longenhagen's updated Top 100 after the trade deadline, I would bet any amount of money Albies is still ranked in the Top 15 as a 60 FV guy. So no, I am not worried about Albies the least bit. The Braves would be foolish to trade him.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 12, 2017 -> 09:19 PM) You aren't concerned about his ability to hit RHP? Almost all players have platoon splits. If he plays plus defense at 2B and posts an .800+ OPS, I don't care how the platoon advantages shake out. Further, the kid is 20 in AAA. He literally has never had a professional PA against a pitcher younger than him. If the biggest flaw a 20 year old in AAA has is the need to improve on a platoon split...I'll take it...he has time to work on things (assuming the Braves don't foolishly rush him to MLB).

As far as how readily folks seem to be to ship Albies off for Q, that is due mainly to prospect fatigue. Albies has been around for a while, and doesn't have much power. Chicks and casual fans dig the longball... Albies breaks his elbow to end last year, and comes back to a slow start this season as a 20 year old in AAA. Then the Braves acquire this shiny new toy in Demeritte. He hits a few HRs, and suddenly folks think he makes Albies expendable. Then the Braves promote a utility prospect named Camargo who proceeds to have a 100 good PAs fueled by an unsustainable BABIP, and now Albies is even more expendable. It's nothing but silliness. In 3 years, when Albies is Altuve with half the HR production, Braves fans will be glad they didn't trade their 4+ WAR guy at 2B in favor of keeping fringe prospects that profile as utility players.

QUOTE (Frank_Thomas35 @ Jul 12, 2017 -> 09:04 PM) As a Braves fan what's your take on Maitan? There's been a lot of back and forth on this board, interested in hearing what you think the organizations opinion of him is in Atlanta as well as fans take. Maitan will be Acuna in 2 years. That's what chop country thinks of him.

I'm a little shocked there are actually folks who would be unhappy with getting Eloy for Q. He's exactly the type of return Hahn has been holding out for the entire time. As a Braves fan I hope this is true, and it keeps the Braves from buying a pitcher like Q a year before they are truly in a position to do so.

QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ Jul 12, 2017 -> 03:31 PM) Well, according to the chart, the Cubs traded over $100M in surplus value for four months of Aroldis Chapman, which is a premium closer to 10x than 2x. The return the Yankees got for Miller, what the Sox got for Eaton and Sale, all show that things aren't quite as linear as is presented in that article and the author really minimizes the risk of prospects based on their distance from the majors as a further discount in his formula. As a Pirates fan, he definitely has a vested interest in overvaluing prospects, and the market was moving in the same direction in the last few seasons after the success of the Royals. But things appeared to have over corrected in the last year. Not going to go through all those names, but I would estimate Sale had a surplus value in the $80M-$100M range. Moncada was probably worth ~$80M, and Kopech probably in the ~$15M range. The other guys are fungible assets...maybe $10M combined. Now consider the BoSox also got Sale for 3 postseasons, and can limit their downside considerably by declining his 2 options, and I think those surplus values add up almost perfectly. Not really here to get into a surplus value debate tho...

QUOTE (hi8is @ Jul 12, 2017 -> 03:23 PM) This past winter another pitcher was the prize, who fetched two blue chippers. Expecting one blue chip prospect for Q is not unreasonable. We've seen reports that a Q deal was set to go down this last offseason but was shot down at the ownership level by the opposing team. Strongly feel we'll get a good young bat ++ for him. There's nothing magical about it. He's worth it. You guys keep responding as if I'm denying Q's worth. I'm simply stating what the Braves are likely to offer. If you think Q's value will somehow increase once he is controlled for 3 seasons plus 3 postseasons instead of 3.5 season plus 4 postseason...well, I'm not sure how you can logically defend that position.

QUOTE (steveno89 @ Jul 12, 2017 -> 03:21 PM) Hahn does not need to deal Q to the Braves, plenty of other interested teams: Yankees, Astros, Rockies, Brewers, Twins, Blue Jays, etc. I've said exactly that about 5 times now. I laid out what to expect from the Braves. If I were Hahn, I would look elsewhere. However, if Allard or Soroka are indeed the best available piece, I would not risk letting Q continue to waste his value pitching for a losing team. His value is not going to increase...we've already seen that. Established SPs never increase in value...only lose it as their years of control tick away. Every fan likes to think "this scenario is different", but it's not different...it's never different.

QUOTE (pablo @ Jul 12, 2017 -> 03:14 PM) What are Braves fans thoughts on Dustin Peterson? He was a guy that I had looked into during the offseason when rumors started up about the Braves and I liked what I saw - seems like a professional hitter. Any concerns on the wrist injury earlier in the year? Soroka + Gohara + Pache + Peterson? DPete is a fungible asset. He is likely a useful guy while he is cheap, and is then a non-tender candidate the moment he hits arbitration. Soroka + Gohara + Pache + Peterson is very likely in line with the max offer Hahn has from the Braves. I wouldn't take it if he can get an elite position guy from a contender. Of course, Coppy might do something stupid and include an elite bat. If so, happy you...sad me haha.

QUOTE (hi8is @ Jul 12, 2017 -> 03:16 PM) I'd disagree with your trepidation of holding onto Q. We'd likely be able to land a top 20 positional prospect ++ in the offseason where Quintana will still have 3 full years of control. Still think we end up with a top 20 position guy ++ before July 31st. Really? You honestly think Q's value is going to be higher than it was last off season or this trade deadline? If that offer wasn't available then or now, it won't magically be available this winter. His value is only going to go down as the Sox waste his years/postseasons of control on a losing team. Take it from someone who watched the Braves waste tens of millions of dollars of Teheran's value by letting him pitch for a losing team...Hahn should cash him in now.