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[ZoomSlowik]

No. That would be J.R. Smith. Interior scoring? Who? Hibbert? lol. He sucks. He's fat and slow. This is the ONLY time you'll get me to agree with booqua. Hibbert is good by today's big man standards. That's it. Unless they hit a s*** load of 3's? That was my point. That's exactly what they do. They only set records for makes and takes on a very good 37% from the field. I'll take my chances with that over Roy Hibbert show.

It's hard to make a ton of 3's over a 7 game series, especially against a good defensive team. How did that work out against Indiana? Ask any basketball coach out there, they'd much rather take their chances with good defense than chucking 3's.

I don't think Indiana is going to win, but trying to win a shootout against the Heat usually isn't going to end well. In case you didn't notice, they shot almost 40% from 3 on the year themselves on nearly 9 makes a game.

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[Jordan4life]

It's hard to make a ton of 3's over a 7 game series, especially against a good defensive team. How did that work out against Indiana? Ask any basketball coach out there, they'd much rather take their chances with good defense than chucking 3's.

I don't think Indiana is going to win, but trying to win a shootout against the Heat usually isn't going to end well. In case you didn't notice, they shot almost 40% from 3 on the year themselves on nearly 9 makes a game.

They don't "chuck" threes. They hit a a ton of them on a well above league average percentage. I don't know what the numbers were against Indiana. I'm sure the numbers were down. Point is still the same. We saw Dallas beat the Heat playing a similar style. Would the Knicks have won? Hell no. I would've given them a 10% chance at best. You can't even come up with a realistic scenario for this boring ass, big 10-like, crap Pacer team. That's all I was saying. s*** is over before it even starts.

[ZoomSlowik]

They don't "chuck" threes. They hit a a ton of them on a well above league average percentage. I don't know what the numbers were against Indiana. I'm sure the numbers were down. Point is still the same. We saw Dallas beat the Heat playing a similar style. Would the Knicks have won? Hell no. I would've given them a 10% chance at best. You can't even come up with a realistic scenario for this boring ass, big 10-like, crap Pacer team. That's all I was saying. s*** is over before it even starts.

Dallas won because Lebron played like Luol Deng in that series, and they still had to hit like 80% of their 3's in games 5 and 6 (stats estimated).

Dirk was also significantly more efficient than Melo. That was also when Joel Anthony and Mike Bibby's corpse were getting significant playing time for the Heat. Oh, and the Mavericks held the Heat under 95 in each of their first four games while hitting 9 (a loss), 8, 6 and 4 3's before getting hot. Other than that, exactly the same scenario.

The scenario is simple: play good D, pound the glass (Miami is the worst rebounding team in the league) and punish the Heat for playing small. It's not likely, but neither is New York beating a team that's far superior to them in nearly every way and almost as good as they are at their one strength (arguably better since they hit for a higher percentage).

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[Jordan4life]

Dallas won because Lebron played like Luol Deng in that series, and they still had to hit like 80% of their 3's in games 5 and 6 (stats estimated).

Dirk was also significantly more efficient than Melo. That was also when Joel Anthony and Mike Bibby's corpse were getting significant playing time for the Heat. Oh, and the Mavericks held the Heat under 95 in each of their first four games while hitting 9 (a loss), 8, 6 and 4 3's before getting hot. Other than that, exactly the same scenario.

The scenario is simple: play good D, pound the glass (Miami is the worst rebounding team in the league) and punish the Heat for playing small. It's not likely, but neither is New York beating a team that's far superior to them in nearly every way and almost as good as they are at their one strength (arguably better since they hit for a higher percentage).

My scenario happened in '11. Your scenario hasn't worked since the 90's. Whatever. I think we can both agree that the Heat are going to win the title. As somebody who really doesn't want to see that happen, I was looking for anything, and I mean ANYTHING, that could possibly take place to keep that from occurring. I'm not even sure this Pacer team is as good as the 2007 Bulls.

[KyYlE23]

My scenario happened in '11. Your scenario hasn't worked since the 90's. Whatever. I think we can both agree that the Heat are going to win the title. As somebody who really doesn't want to see that happen, I was looking for anything, and I mean ANYTHING, that could possibly take place to keep that from occurring. I'm not even sure this Pacer team is as good as the 2007 Bulls.

If you are looking for something, ANYTHING, to keep that from happening, then you shouldn't have been looking towards the Knicks. The Heat would have raped them.

I know your super hyperbolizer has declared the Pacers less than the 1988 clippers, but they play a much more frustrating brand of basketball against the heat. George and Stephenson will give Wade and Lebron problems with their D. They both will get theirs but they would have destroyed the Knicks "defense".

I love how you rip zoom for saying Knicks suck and come back with Hibbert is fat and slow. Lol. Mahinmi and West are going to give the Heat some problems down low with Hibbert.

[Brian]

If you are looking for something, ANYTHING, to keep that from happening, then you shouldn't have been looking towards the Knicks. The Heat would have raped them.

I know your super hyperbolizer has declared the Pacers less than the 1988 clippers, but they play a much more frustrating brand of basketball against the heat. George and Stephenson will give Wade and Lebron problems with their D. They both will get theirs but they would have destroyed the Knicks "defense".

I love how you rip zoom for saying Knicks suck and come back with Hibbert is fat and slow. Lol. Mahinmi and West are going to give the Heat some problems down low with Hibbert.

I agree with this. The Pacers play similar to the Bulls but with more offensive options. Stephenson is playing insane and I don't see Chalmers getting in his way. I'll take Vogel anyday of the week over Spoelstra as well.
I don't think the Pacers will win the series but could see it going 7 easily.

[Jordan4life]

If you are looking for something, ANYTHING, to keep that from happening, then you shouldn't have been looking towards the Knicks. The Heat would have raped them.

I know your super hyperbolizer has declared the Pacers less than the 1988 clippers, but they play a much more frustrating brand of basketball against the heat. George and Stephenson will give Wade and Lebron problems with their D. They both will get theirs but they would have destroyed the Knicks "defense".

I love how you rip zoom for saying Knicks suck and come back with Hibbert is fat and slow. Lol. Mahinmi and West are going to give the Heat some problems down low with Hibbert.

That's because he is fat and slow. He's tall, WIDE, and takes up a lot of space (which is enough to be considered good by 2013 big man standards). He averages under 30 MPG because he gets winded easily. 12 and 8? c'mon now. And he's going to have to guard Bosh this series. It's going to be raining jumpers or Bosh will just blow right by him. I know you big ten guys watch that crap and think it's real basketball, but it's not. That's what the pacers play like. Doesn't work in the vastly new and improved NBA.

[Rowand44]

That's because he is fat and slow. He's tall, WIDE, and takes up a lot of space (which is enough to be considered good by 2013 big man standards). He averages under 30 MPG because he gets winded easily. 12 and 8? c'mon now. And he's going to have to guard Bosh this series. It's going to be raining jumpers or Bosh will just blow right by him. I know you big ten guys watch that crap and think it's real basketball, but it's not. That's what the pacers play like. Doesn't work in the vastly new and improved NBA.

I don't get it...we're in 2013 and this is the new improved NBA so I guess Hibbert would have been absolutely dominate back in the day?

[Boogua]

I don't get it...we're in 2013 and this is the new improved NBA so I guess Hibbert would have been absolutely dominate back in the day?

It's a lost cause. Logic is lost on him.

[Chisoxfn]

Welp, congrats to the three-time eastern conference champion Heat. I thought maybe with their 3-point shooting that the Knicks could get hot (kinda like the Mavs in '11) and possibly shock the world. Pacers? Boring. Heat in 5.

Pacers are better then the Knicks. Knicks are soft. Pacers might be able to wear the Heat down a bit. But it should be an easy series. Heat would have routed the Knicks though.

[Balta1701]

Pacers are better then the Knicks. Knicks are soft. Pacers might be able to wear the Heat down a bit. But it should be an easy series. Heat would have routed the Knicks though.

Foul Lebron as hard and as often as you can.

The "Jordan Rules" from the Pistons.

[ZoomSlowik]

My scenario happened in '11. Your scenario hasn't worked since the 90's. Whatever. I think we can both agree that the Heat are going to win the title. As somebody who really doesn't want to see that happen, I was looking for anything, and I mean ANYTHING, that could possibly take place to keep that from occurring. I'm not even sure this Pacer team is as good as the 2007 Bulls.

It's not remotely "your scenario" because the Mavericks were actually good. 8th in defensive efficiency instead of 18th. 61.2% true shooting percentage for Dirk as opposed to 56% for Melo (and Melo was at 49.7% in the playoffs this year). A much bigger lineup so they weren't trying to go small against the best small-ball team in the league. Plus as I already said, the Mavericks were going toe to toe with the Heat long before they started hitting 3's. If the Knicks hit 8 or fewer threes against the Heat like the Mavericks did three times, they lose by 15 (and they had another with 9). I'm not saying Dallas was a juggernaut or anything, Miami still should have won. They were solid though and Dirk and Terry were outstanding in the playoffs.

The second part doesn't even make sense. The Pistons won with a grind-it-out defense and a mediocre offense (18th in the league), beating the superstar-laden Lakers in the process. The Celtics were fairly average offensively the last several years either and they've been highly successful (a respectable 10th when they won it all, 15th when they lost in 7 to the Lakers, 27th when they took the Heat to 7 (yeah, I know, Bosh)). Memphis is supposed to be the best hope against the Heat now, but their statistical profile is extremely similar to Indiana. Elite teams do tend to be fairly balanced, but I'm sure I could find others if I looked harder. We're talking about a specific matchup anyways, a team like the Bulls (healthy obviously) or Grizzlies is more likely to beat you at your own game if you play that style.

As I said, I don't expect Indiana to win because the Heat are very good. However, I'd say getting two is highly possible. If the Bulls can get one and hang in two others with half a roster, it's not that much of a stretch that the Pacers can get a pair considering they play a similar style.

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[southsider2k5]

Scott Skiles is a candidate for the Nets job. That could be interesting.

[Brian]

Deron wants him fired now