Another Movie Theatre Shooting

[greg775]

This one in Louisiana. There are dead and injured.

http://news.yahoo.com/official-2-dead-movi...-015727028.html

 

Our country is officially insane. I know a millionaire who is thinking about denouncing his US citizenship in 10 years when he retires and wants to move to I believe it's Thailand. Here in the USA our political system is worst it's ever been with our political officials failing to work for the people, only special interests. Our crime is off the charts BAD. These type of incidents are ON THE RISE with no signs of slowing. Our economy is horrible and there likely will be an amazing crash one of these days.

America is in deep trouble.

I'm not trying to start something here, but it remains just a matter of time before one of these nutjobs brings a machine gun into a sporting event. Don't know if they'll shoot the participants or the spectators but it's all set up for the nutjob. Wait until the second half of a basketball game or football game, storm the entrances and start shooting. Once that happens, sports will be changed forever.

 

THIS LATEST INCIDENT angers me beyond belief!!! Quit killing each other, Americans!

 

caulfield- does the world think the USA is beyond hope?

Edited July 24, 2015 by greg775

[StrangeSox]

Our crime rates have actually been falling steadily for a couple of decades

[Texsox]

I don't know how anyone can go to the movies, or really anywhere in public, without a handgun for protection.

[lasttriptotulsa]

Our crime rates have actually been falling steadily for a couple of decades

 

This. It's the combination of the internet and 24 hour news channels that makes it seem like it's continually getting worse.

Edited July 24, 2015 by lasttriptotulsa

[Brian]

I don't know how anyone can go to the movies, or really anywhere in public, without a handgun for protection.

 

I do it all the time and feel comfortable doing so. I chose not to live in fear. I have other problems to worry about.

[StrangeSox]

I don't know how anyone can go to the movies, or really anywhere in public, without a handgun for protection.

Not sure if serious...

[caulfield12]

This one in Louisiana. There are dead and injured.

http://news.yahoo.com/official-2-dead-movi...-015727028.html

 

Our country is officially insane. I know a millionaire who is thinking about denouncing his US citizenship in 10 years when he retires and wants to move to I believe it's Thailand. Here in the USA our political system is worst it's ever been with our political officials failing to work for the people, only special interests. Our crime is off the charts BAD. These type of incidents are ON THE RISE with no signs of slowing. Our economy is horrible and there likely will be an amazing crash one of these days.

America is in deep trouble.

I'm not trying to start something here, but it remains just a matter of time before one of these nutjobs brings a machine gun into a sporting event. Don't know if they'll shoot the participants or the spectators but it's all set up for the nutjob. Wait until the second half of a basketball game or football game, storm the entrances and start shooting. Once that happens, sports will be changed forever.

 

THIS LATEST INCIDENT angers me beyond belief!!! Quit killing each other, Americans!

 

caulfield- does the world think the USA is beyond hope?

 

No, they just think the U.S. is much more dangerous because of the endless repetition of all these mass shootings...and the fact that someone other than the police or military can own semi-automatic weapons.

 

From living in Thailand for two years, I can honestly say it's 10x more dangerous for tourists and that the person renouncing his U.S. Citizenship will likely be in very precarious circumstances when the current king (longest serving monarch in the world) passes away.

[Texsox]

I do it all the time and feel comfortable doing so. I chose not to live in fear. I have other problems to worry about.

 

I'm not certain how carrying and living in fear are linked. To me it's like saying I don't wear a seat belt when driving because I chose not to live in fear. I don't lock my doors at night because I chose not to live in fear. It's just a simple safety device like wearing a helmet when skateboarding. I carry because I don't fear a gun. The fear thing is just a silly connection to make in my mind, but I think I get what you are saying. Some security steps may seem severe. A home security system is excessive to some, they might see that as living in fear. Locking doors. Keeping ladders locked up. Car alarms, etc. So maybe we are all living in fear.

[Texsox]

I was just thinking most of the people I know who carry, men and women, don't do it out of fear, but out of anger. They don't want to be cowering under a theater seat praying someone comes and solves their problem. They want to stop the SOB who is terrorizing their community and terrorizing the good people. They want to stand up to the evil instead of hiding in the dark waiting for help to arrive and hoping it is in time.

 

I'm certain there are some who are afraid of criminals and carry out of fear, just as there are people who are afraid of guns and the people who carry them. Perhaps we need better education to bridge some gaps there.

[Big Hurtin]

I don't know how anyone can go to the movies, or really anywhere in public, without a handgun for protection.

Yeah, because multiple people having a shootout in a dark theater would've been much better.

[StrangeSox]

Carrying out of anger seems pretty terrible.

[Quin]

I have no ideasy if Tex is serious or not.

[Texsox]

Carrying out of anger seems pretty terrible.

 

You aren't angry that a 59 year old guy decided to kill a bunch of people? You aren't angry that some people would rather take other people's stuff than actually get a job and buy it? You aren't angry that parents feel like they can't allow their kids to play unsupervised in their neighborhoods? It's time for the good people to stand up to the criminals instead of hiding in the dark hoping to be saved.

[Texsox]

Yeah, because multiple people having a shootout in a dark theater would've been much better.

 

What did you want the police to do? Ask him politely to surrender? Give me your recipe for make believe. Over the past fifty years we have become conditioned to fear criminals. To believe that only the police can protect us. We've allowed criminals to walk around without fear while the good people of the world lock themselves behind three locks in their own homes. We're enabling criminals while losing our liberty.

[Kyyle23]

i know if I was a millionaire, thailand would be the first place i would want to move to after a theater shooting. Because thailand is safe

[StrangeSox]

You aren't angry that a 59 year old guy decided to kill a bunch of people?

 

I dunno if anger is the right word. Saddened, sure. Doesn't make me want myself or a bunch of other people to start carrying guns, though.

 

You aren't angry that some people would rather take other people's stuff than actually get a job and buy it?

 

This seems like an especially terrible reason to carry a gun.

 

You aren't angry that parents feel like they can't allow their kids to play unsupervised in their neighborhoods?

 

That's largely due to our own myth-making about stranger-danger, and I'm not sure how carrying a gun helps that anyway.

 

And when parents do send their kids to play at the local playground by themselves, they get DCFS called.

 

 

It's time for the good people to stand up to the criminals instead of hiding in the dark hoping to be saved.

 

I don't think vigilantism is the answer.

[Iwritecode]

Our crime rates have actually been falling steadily for a couple of decades

 

This has been pointed out before. Greg doesn't read these posts.

[Brian]

Part of the article quotes a movie watcher that they thought it was part of the movie.

What part of the movie "Trainwreck" did you think someone would stand up in the middle of the theatre and start unloading?

[MexSoxFan#1]

Not sure if serious...

If Tex was serious, he being from Texas explains it all.

 

Living in Texas the last year or so has taught me that Texans sure do love their guns.

 

Anyways, with today's 24 hour news media and the internet, these tragedies will get blown out of proportion. It is safe to go out in public, how many millions of Americans go to restaurants, shopping malls, sporting events, movies, concerts etc every day compared to how many times does this sort of thing happen? The odds of that happening to you must be astronomical, pretty sure you getting killed in a car accident is much more likely than being killed in a mass shooting, but that isn't stopping anyone from driving.

 

The last place I'd want to be is in a dark theatre full of armed people, with the confusion and chaos, the death count would be much higher, how would you determine who's the bad guy and who is protecting themselves? I don't know, it seems like a recipe for disaster.

Edited July 24, 2015 by MexSoxFan#1

[Jenksismyhero]

I dunno if anger is the right word. Saddened, sure. Doesn't make me want myself or a bunch of other people to start carrying guns, though.

 

 

 

This seems like an especially terrible reason to carry a gun.

 

 

 

That's largely due to our own myth-making about stranger-danger, and I'm not sure how carrying a gun helps that anyway.

 

And when parents do send their kids to play at the local playground by themselves, they get DCFS called.

 

 

 

 

I don't think vigilantism is the answer.

 

Same could be said about the need to enact a ton of gun laws on the myth that you'll be a victim of a mass shooting (or just a shooting).

[Balta1701]

Same could be said about the need to enact a ton of gun laws on the myth that you'll be a victim of a mass shooting (or just a shooting).

The most likely violent use of firearms is in suicide. The only way to prevent that is to get rid of them completely. Thanks for your support.

[illinilaw08]

What did you want the police to do? Ask him politely to surrender? Give me your recipe for make believe. Over the past fifty years we have become conditioned to fear criminals. To believe that only the police can protect us. We've allowed criminals to walk around without fear while the good people of the world lock themselves behind three locks in their own homes. We're enabling criminals while losing our liberty.

 

Tex, here's my problem with that argument. It assumes that the world is broken down into criminals and good guys. Good guys need guns to protect from criminals. It also assumes that every good guy who has a gun is trained to accurately and safely respond to an emergency.

 

But that's not reality. Everyone is a good guy until they commit a crime. Not everyone who owns a gun is even close to appropriately trained with said gun (unlike the police).

 

In my opinion/experience, guns have a potential to embolden citizens and cause them to do stupid things. Does Zimmerman approach Martin if he's not armed? Does this shoving match at Little Caesar's lead to a death if one of the guys isn't armed?

 

http://www.tampabay.com/news/publicsafety/...service/1266589

 

I'm fine with gun ownership. I see the utility in a lot of respects. I may not buy the home defense argument, but I understand the home defense argument.

 

I don't carry a firearm. I don't know enough about them, don't have enough experience with them, to safely operate one (and I don't have the desire to learn). As a result, the more people who are armed in movie theaters, on the streets, in campsites, and heaven forbid, at bars, the greater the risk (though admittedly that risk remains low) that I become an unintended victim when people get stupid. Like this guy:

 

http://kdvr.com/2015/07/05/man-shot-and-ki...-rainbow-falls/

 

I acknowledge that the above examples are all anecdotal, but it's a huge stretch to argue (1) that people will conceal and carry responsibly; and (2) that people who conceal and carry are naturally appropriately trained to take out an active shooter without causing collateral damage.

[Jenksismyhero]

The most likely violent use of firearms is in suicide. The only way to prevent that is to get rid of them completely. Thanks for your support.

 

well that's just false

[ChiSox_Sonix]

The most likely violent use of firearms is in suicide. The only way to prevent that is to get rid of them completely. Thanks for your support.

 

The most likely cause of someone driving under the influence of something is alcohol. The only way to prevent that is to get rid of alcohol. Thanks for your support.

 

Also, the second most common form of suicide is medications. The only way to prevent that is to stop selling any medications without a prescription. Thanks for your support there too!

Edited July 24, 2015 by ChiSox_Sonix

[Jenksismyhero]

Tex, here's my problem with that argument. It assumes that the world is broken down into criminals and good guys. Good guys need guns to protect from criminals. It also assumes that every good guy who has a gun is trained to accurately and safely respond to an emergency.

 

But that's not reality. Everyone is a good guy until they commit a crime. Not everyone who owns a gun is even close to appropriately trained with said gun (unlike the police).

 

In my opinion/experience, guns have a potential to embolden citizens and cause them to do stupid things. Does Zimmerman approach Martin if he's not armed? Does this shoving match at Little Caesar's lead to a death if one of the guys isn't armed?

 

http://www.tampabay.com/news/publicsafety/...service/1266589

 

I'm fine with gun ownership. I see the utility in a lot of respects. I may not buy the home defense argument, but I understand the home defense argument.

 

I don't carry a firearm. I don't know enough about them, don't have enough experience with them, to safely operate one (and I don't have the desire to learn). As a result, the more people who are armed in movie theaters, on the streets, in campsites, and heaven forbid, at bars, the greater the risk (though admittedly that risk remains low) that I become an unintended victim when people get stupid. Like this guy:

 

http://kdvr.com/2015/07/05/man-shot-and-ki...-rainbow-falls/

 

I acknowledge that the above examples are all anecdotal, but it's a huge stretch to argue (1) that people will conceal and carry responsibly; and (2) that people who conceal and carry are naturally appropriately trained to take out an active shooter without causing collateral damage.

 

I think this is all 100% reasonable, but people have been able to conceal and carry in most states (now all states) legally for quite awhile now. So while we're hearing more and more about random incidents, you can't really say that people carrying and feeling emboldened to act are causing more incidents.